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Will Trump win in 2020?

Has anyone changed their mind about Bernie Sanders, and the America he wants to see in the future, since the last election?

I received many great answers to my last question asking if Americans view Canada as a socialist country.

Many Canadians are just as informed about American politics as we are our own - in some cases, due to vast, sometimes disturbing changes (within the current administration in particular), even more so. Our discussions about Trump are no doubt as frequent as your own, with major concerns about the current state and future of the US, and the impact it will have on the world.

I am a huge fan of Bernie Sanders, who I believe is a solid, honest man with great integrity, regardless of whether one agrees with his ideas. Many of us here would love to see him win 2020, but I understand there is still this fear of socialism, which is not to be confused with social democracy, where social programs are in place to protect all of its citizens - not just the very wealthy few.

My gut told me Trump would become president, from the moment I heard his first speech (much to my chagrin). Now, I can't imagine a second term for Trump - my gut tells me no, which I understand is not based in any reality of the possible outcome. What are your thoughts on this now? Will Trump be reelected? Could Bernie win? All the signs of him running again are there.

Athena 8 June 16
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Most likely he will. There are no better candidates so far and he is an encumbant. Despite all the desperate cries of the sky is falling no such thing is happening. We are doing much better in all areas than we have in a long time.

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From an outsiders point of view he's a pillock but.......if he gets any sort of deal with Kim Jon whathisname he will win the Nobel Peace Prize and that may be just enough for everyone who voted for him before, to vote for him again.

And I wish he would stay off of fucking twitter!!!!!!

ipdg77 Level 8 June 16, 2018

Why stay off twitter? It lets everyone see him raw and unfiltered rather than filtered by aides and associates via official press releases and statements.

@RPardoe I'm probably just growing into an old fart, I like my leaders to show some gravitas and a bit of statesmanship (not many do though) not act like a twat on social media.

@ipdg77 As do I. That is why I want him to stay on Twitter - to continue to demonstrate what a narcissistic, impulsive boor he is. But I admit, if the voters aren't repulsed by "grab'em by the p****" then Twitter posts aren't likely to dissuade them either.

@RPardoe You make a fair point 🙂

He's going to get a deal with North Korea, and it will be a horrible deal. He's already making concessions on points that have never been negotiable before. (ending support of South Korea) for vague promises of maybe getting rid of nuclear weapons, someday.

Hopefully, it will be seen as the debacle it is before November.

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It is impossible to predict politics this far out, but there are several IFs that augur a possible re-election:

If the stock market stays at high levels
If unemployment stays low
If the economy is perceived as "doing well"
If there is a crisis that rallies the nation around our leaders

People tend to vote for change when they feel threatened. (Look how well MAGA resonated with voters.) If things are going "fine", complacency moderates change.

The November elections will be a signpost on the way the winds are blowing, but it also gives the losing party 2 years to refine their message to be stronger for the 2020 run.

@Jlangston70 Yet, the "we're not Hilary" party worked well for Trump didn't it?

The new middle class taxes and health insurance premiums will be exposed by then. When they all figure out how they were screwed over, they'll revolt.

@GinaMaria I hope so. My fear is that many of the changes are like buried time bombs that will explode in the face of subsequent administrations regardless of political affiliation.

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IF democrats can take the house in 2018 they can start impeachment proceedings and that will derail what's happening here. If that doesn't happen, Republicans will continue to cater to this sociopath and he will get a 2nd term. Will he make it through the 2nd term? Not likely. YES! LOVE BERNIE!

burnie made possible a trump victory. He divided a party that was not his to divide. Now you don't like the results.

@GipsyOfNewSpain well that's bullshit. That's the argument we always hear when there's competition.

@crazycurlz And that echo will continue until the old geezer dies. Problem is those burnie zombies that shifted to trump will never, ever admit voting for trump. Because we both know... truth hurts. Even a dead zoo gorilla received 16,000 writing-in votes.

@JustLynnie Oh so you are a crack smoker? Okay. Nice meeting you, get help.

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If trumpet generalissimo becomes president a second time I'm grabbing the babies and heading for Canada.

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Trump or Sanders won't win. Oprah will win ?

I so hope you are joking. To go from Trump to Oprah would be insane, We need another Obama, a scholar, a thinker and yes educated in reality.
We need to make American great again.

ugh. just what we need...another celebrity

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The Dems blew the last election, and got the results they deserved.

To defeat DJT, the democrats will need to:

  1. Disband the DNC.
  2. Reject corporate donations and lobbying.
  3. Return to and respond to grass-roots ideas.
  4. Nominate a sincere, honest, intelligent woman who renounces group identity politics.

In other words, Trump will likely win.

A woman isn't likely to win until my grandson is a voter (he's not yet 2 years old.) Even then, I'm not sure that this country will have shrugged off its misogyny enough to do so. Also, Democrats can't win without money (no one can), and unless Congress finally legislates real campaign finance reform and legislatively repeals the Citizens United decision, they need corporate dollars. The democratic base has to accept that long enough to gain a supermajority and enact those laws.

@GinaMaria remember, a woman got 2 million more votes than the old guy in the last election. I think the gender issue has been put to bed. Look at the overwhelming number of women winning local and national seats. I think the fact we elected a half white guy did a lot to help open the shades for minorities. I'm an old guy who has the luxury of being able to talk with 18-20 year olds and we almost always talk politics. Gender or race never get mentioned. Ever. Except for my children, we're the only white people there in these groups. Every continent is represented. My other two voters are the same (triplets). One is very politically active, the other son has little interest or understanding I politics(if he weren't a triplet, I'd question his genetics) But none of them nor their friends bring up race or gender. I'm an old guy so it sticks out to me. Love watching them talk. So, , I think the glass ceiling was broken by Hillary. There more and more female CEOs (private sector has some catching up to do on both counts) all the time. Of the glass ceiling is not already broken, then the kids are going make it just sublimate. IMHO.

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The real fear....will he change the constitution to stay in power come 2024.
Erdogan (Turkey) is illustrative of how power corrupts.....

He can't change the Constitution. It takes 2/3 of both houses plus 34 states. He'd have to come up with a plan now just to get it done logistically in time.

@jwd45244 Correct. But he has made comments that "president for life" and the abolition of term limits such as China's Xi might be something to try in the US. Or perhaps Ivanka takes the reigns of power for terms 3 and 4?

As you said, it needs a plan. Fortunately, what I have seen so far is much more impulsive, spur of the moment planning, so might be less of a concern. But I thought the same about his election in the first place, and was unpleasantly surprised.

He can do anything he wants as long as the Republicans continue to roll over and play dead. I love the Constitution but if there's no one to protect it, we got nothin'.

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Of course Trump will win in 2020. The economy’s doing great! Only an idiot would vote for Bernie Sanders. @Gater

@snifflz Your only seeing things through your liberal glasses.

Not sure about you but I am down almost $100k for the year now.

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Trump won because he did not play by the normal book. Also the rigging of the college. He left his gop rivils in the ground. I am not even sure if sanders could have won. His supporter are part of a cult now. Remember Hillary won the pop vote. Maybe now the voters who decided to stay home will come out

Ok, I know this is an old post, and I'm not sure how I got here, but I had to read it.... That being said, I found your reply here interesting. I have to ask what your feelings are now on the situation.. Most of all, though, I'd like to know what you meant by Trump rigging the college.. What... How could he have done that ,, pray tell?? .🤪

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Trump doesn't know how to not win. IF he doesn't develop a health issue or the deep state doesn't find a way to assassinate him, he'll win again.

There's a big difference between being a winner and being a con artist.

A winner is a natural born leader who is capable of uniting large numbers of people from differing backgrounds and beliefs towards a positive outcome. Winston Churchill was a winner.

A con artist is a loser who preys on the weak and the desperate in order to meet their own selfish ends because they have no real capacity to lead, inspire or motivate. Donald Trump is a con artist.

Oh... and you can damn well be sure that not many real winners throughout history have coasted through their entire life on a 22 billion dollar purse left to them by their daddy. Most real winners have worked their way from the ground up.

@webbew1 One of the fundamental flaws shared by political sycophants is the notion that the mere stating of something qualifies it as true and accurate because those they follow utter it repeatedly. This happens on both sides of the opinion scale. To tin god worshipers on the Right, Trump walks on water. From the Left, he's arch evil and phony.

Neither is actually the case and little of the blather is actually based on facts.
In your comment I see so many elements that are just not so, answering them all would be like trying to retreive and re-bag a handful of tossed confetti. This is what followers do. They restate things with which they've been programmed as though quantity equals veracity. I'll address a few.

The notion that leadership abilities are inborn is erroneous. A loser is by definition someone who fails at everything or almost everything they try. It far better qualifies as a description of a woman who twice lost bids for president than a man who overcame incalculable odds and phony, opinion manipulating 'polls' to WIN the presidency. One need not be a Trump worshiper to see this objective fact of history.

Preying upon weak (especially weak of mind) and desperate doesn't produce much wealth because those alleged victims possess no wealth in the first place. What they do possess are votes; hen ce their value is great to politicians who artfully prey upon them and acquire wealth after lying their ways into office.Trump was already in possession of greater wealth than any of the vote and contribution dependent politicians against whom he competed AND WON... The con-man label is green eyed myth for the most part.

Though acquisition of wealth has merit in some ways, it isn't the only criterion by which winning and accomplishing things in the world are measured. Mere opportunity is overrated. Once one has 'stepped on the stage' a performance must follow or the curtain quickly descends and so does the non-performer. The of real life and real business is produce or somebody who can produce will replace you. The in politics the opposite because terms are guaranteed regardless of whether one produces or not and lies combined with short public memory are often all it takes to perpetuate incompetence.

They aren't upset that Trump has connned his way in and is not producing; that is the deep state's game. They are terrified that he's actually DOING things he promised and rapidlly; that he's revealing the alleged leaders nakedness hidden behind tissues of lies a bout their finery propagated in the fawning press.

People are once again working in industries pronounced dead by political quacks. November willl once again disclose the patent mendacity of pre-election polls when the Blue Trickle dispatches whining consumers of myths to their safe spaces where they pleasure one another with artifice and fantasy.

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Fuck Trump. May he keel over at any moment. And no, I do not think he can win a second term. I'm not convinced he will finish his first.

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I don't think he'll survive his first term. Once the curtain is pulled back, even those who support him will be hard pressed to justify having such a rancid, corrupt criminal sitting in that once honorable office.

@Athena I hope most of your prognostications have been. Wrong. I was so excited when he announced that I was rooting that he and Palin would win the nomination. Little do I know. Thanks Russia, tanks Comey, thanks. Rednecks.

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I truly believe Trump will have to resign, The information held by Mueller is too much to be ignored. Mueller will deliver soon,
We now know as FACT that Cohen and Manaford are guilty of sever crimes and TRump is not immune here . He will indeed face the facts

EMC2 Level 8 June 17, 2018

It all hinges on the Republicans. If they continue to accept Trump's behavior unchallenged, nothing Mueller presents will have any impact. That's why it's critical to turn the house blue in 2018...Democrats will vote for impeachment proceedings.

@crazycurlz Well I think Mueller has much more than anything the republicans can stop
With Cohen about to talk and the indictments already issued Trump is now running scared. Now if we get to have an unrigged 2018 vote the house will become ours and perhaps the senate. We do not wish to impeach trump as that leaves us with the sewer still intact. He must face charges and be removed along with the entire administration.

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He needs to go before he starts a world war! He's not just messing with the States he's messing with the world! GET RID!

I'm glad it's not just me. Thank you.

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I sure hope the hell not! Trump is a disaster! The DNC screwed up big time in 2016. Bernie Sanders should have been the nominee. Hopefully, they learned their lesson going into 2020. I'm much rather have a President Sanders than a President Trump.

Edit: Not to mention that all of the polls had Sanders stomping Trump in the general election!

ballou Level 8 June 18, 2018

^^^^Whoo Hoo! Exactly!

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I honestly can't believe he is still there. I have never been so afraid and disappointed. I don't recognize my own country. I am horrified about what is going on and that no one is stopping it.

Well,,, it's been a year now.. (almost) and you're still here,,, and the country is fine, in fact, doing great.. LONG LIVE TRUMP!! .... LMAO.... 😍

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Unfortunately yes ...because look how crazy Americans are like the Evangelical Republicans who voted for Trump!

Remember his base is very small. Those crazy end timers the reason i am arming

I hope you realize soon... a shit load of atheist are conservatives that voted for him... It's not that far fetched, if you actually go out and talk to people in the atheist community. Yes, I know most are Liberal, but no where near all... not even close. Keep that in mind, and learn why.. There's a good reason so many of us feel this way.

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I was and am a Sanders supporter. My state was one of the last states to vote Hillary or Sanders. In the High School gym (capital city) the Sanders supporters outnumbered Hillary supporters by less then a 2 to 1 ratio. Do I think Trump is destroying America, Yes. Did I think Trump would win the first election? Yes. Do I think a majority of Americans will sit at home, not vote, and allow a minority to re-elect trump? Sadly yes.

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Bernie is by a long shot the most intelligent and evolved candidate around. I think he might have been able to beat Trump, given a chance in 2016. But Im afraid the country has move too far right now? We may have to settle for a more centrist candidate? IDK But right now, I would take almost any living human being over the sociopath Trump,

I'm more optimistic: those who were Right have become entrenched, those who are not have become energized. I think it's all up for grabs where this is headed. But I'm hopeful.

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My own take is that, despite the many and various strands linking the Trump campaign/transition/White House to Russia and its attack on the 2016 election now interconnecting to form an ever-widening web, it will be the Stormy Daniels case, the seizure of Michael Cohen's files and cellphones, the dogged determination of attorney Michael Avennati, and the very bright light these are about to shed on the past and present financial machinations and questionable dealings of the present occupant of the White House that will force The Donald to step down.

It's a minority of Americans who follow the daily news coverage of the evidence being uncovered by the Mueller investigation, besides which, even after November's election, there may not be the required 60% of Senate votes necessary to impeach. However, when the dirty deals with unsavory busness partners that has been the consistent hallmark of Trump's business adventures, and his flagrant defiance of leagl restraint - not least in his use of the Trump Foundation as a personal slush fund and source of campaign funds - see the light of day, all but his most committed followers will see for themselves the nature of the man.

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Sometimes it really is disappointing to realize how self deluded I was; delighting in the discovery of this site because I found quite a few people focused in reality. Then a post like this draws so many comments demonstrating the opposite.

There is such a long way to go. Purveyors of 'faith' have nothing about which to feel anxious in our times.

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Weren't his odds last time 3 in 10? I think that's about right at this point. I don't know what to think of the polls, but Rasmussen has been uniformly positive for Trump...and now, slowly, their polls are turning against Trump also. I think they had one last month that had Sanders beating Trump by one point. And that's not to mention all the Fox News polls that mostly show Trump losing to any Democrat. (And all the other polls--sometimes accused of leaning Democratic--also show Trump mostly losing to just about everyone.)

I can't remember where I read it (probably one of the Michael Wolff books), but Steve Bannon also seems to think Trump can't win reelection.

2020 is Trump's to win or lose. People will mostly be voting FOR or AGAINST him, not FOR anyone else. I think "chaos fatigue" will play a bigger factor than any positive aspects of any challenger.

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tRump won't win if I can help it, and although I like a lot of what Bernie proposes, I think it's a bridge too far.

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Here is an opinion worth listening to re Trump.

JB4now Level 5 June 16, 2018
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