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does desire to convert someone to atheistic belief sometimes undercut our abiding love for science?

many science lovers are spiritual. I meet pro evolution non atheists all the time. (my life is lucky, most people do not I know)

so what matters more? the battle for agreement on hypotheticals? (god/no god) or the war? (we don't know about philosophical stuff but hey lets not destroy the planet)

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I don't try to convert anyone. I don't really care what they believe, so long as they're not influencing legislation or what's taught in science classrooms using faith-based principles.

resserts Level 8 Dec 30, 2017

yes

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If someone appreciates science, I wouldn't care whether they were atheists or not. My parents were both church-goers but they had no problem with such things as evolution.

Coffeo Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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An agnostic's response...I have "done battle" with several "evangelical atheists", some who even claim the title, most when I first came to this site. These have gratefully been a minority, of the...let's just say "intellectually challenged", possessed with the same fanaticism and dogmatic mentality as your average theist.

I'd like to think I've played a part in their decline as have other agnostics and a very few rational, intelligent and understanding atheists...albeit a very few. I would hope the atheist community at large would seek to confront them publicly and council them privately, to show at least some semblance of unity of y/our growing community, not just on this website but in the world at large.

To coin a phrase, we have bigger fish to fry such as our 17 year long "holy war", climate change denial, the reckless greed spawning social injustice, poverty, pollution,...by elitists who pander to the hardcore theist...

Opening the eyes of the masses to these atrocities is far more vital than any "promotion" of y/our ideologies as I think more theists are coming to the realization of these issues, and that perhaps their religions are part of the problem.

Rather than seek them out, I feel it is much more important and effective that we/you show a united, rational, humanitarian front to those who are finally realizing, and ready to leave, the insanity and destruction of their "gods".

yes

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I've never tried to convert anyone. I can really only remember one time (there may have been more) when I had a conversation with a theist and explained by point of view. I was on a deployment in Kuwait, and I bumped into someone at a smoke pit (a place to smoke cigarettes, I smoked at the time - quit in 2010). I felt OK having that conversation because the person was a total stranger who I would probably never see again, and it was a civil conversation.

That being said, I am surrounded by believers all day, every day. They're everywhere. So when I meet someone who accepts evolution or is pro-science, I just enjoy that aspect of them and put the religion on the back burner. Atheism isn't the only thing I care about. I think I love science and skeptical thinking more, and atheism is just a conclusion I've reached through them.

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I, for one as an Atheist, do not want to convert anyone. I just want to stop the harm that ALL religious beliefs cause to humanity and to this planet.

jlynn37 Level 8 Dec 30, 2017
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What @resserts said. Unfortunately, that isn't the case. In the U.S. and other parts of the world, they are influencing legislation, and the educational systems, to name a few. Sociatal well being is impacted. Studies have shown that the most religious communities tend to have the worst well being. So, this isn't about the battle for hypotheticals. I think some who aren't negatively impacted tend to miss the bigger picture. It's not about a desire to convert believers. It's about survival.

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Atheism isn't really a belief. It's a lack of belief, it's more akin to philosophy than a belief.

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It would only undercut a love for science if that individual attempted to use a scientific method to prove no god(s) exist. In other words, if that individual tried to use science to push a faith-based belief.

But, I'm not sure how many agnostics/atheists would say "i believe in no gods or i have proof of no gods" vs "there isn't sufficient evidence for me to support the idea of a deity or deities". Basically, I'm saying the atheist is challenging a belief, not converting to a different belief. Lol...it's a very roundabout way of saying "no" to the first question.

I'm not sure what's meant by spiritual. Based on the "non atheists", do you mean supernatural?

If you mean as related to making hypotheses, i would just follow the evidence. It shouldn't be a battle; evidence will support the best hypothesis.

Chephren Level 4 Dec 30, 2017
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I think it's a really personal journey and trying to force someone's hand is more likely to make them dig their heels in.

Cwen Level 4 Dec 30, 2017
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I am not sure what an atheistic belief is. I do not believe a god exists but anything else outside of that is not atheist-related.

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I have found that a lot of "spiritual" science lovers actually tend to be pseudo-science lovers. New Age cures & treatments, homeopathy, crystals, etc. I think the fight is rationalism & humanism vs faith & let's pretend. Doesn't always involve "religion".

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I do not consider atheism as a belief system. Not believing something can not be a belief. However, everyone is free to propagate his/her/other's ideas. If some one is convinced with your idea, well and good.

Srijith Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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I do not try to convert anyone, and I have never met any atheists or agnostics that goes around trying to convert anyone. This is something that someone has to achieve on his or her own, It requires thinking for oneself, and being able to analyze and understand facts. No one converted me.

noworry28 Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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I do not desire to "convert" anyone to atheism. I do have a very strong, irresistible desire to inspire people to question everything and understand how they know what they know. Is what I believe just cus some guy said so or is their factual evidence to support his claim? When people actually stop to take the time to understand why they believe what they do believe it leads them to solid decision making.
I do not have to agree with people's ideas or like their ideas. What I am concerned about is that their reasoning is not based on myth or fairy tales.
In this since I am an Apistevist- I do not make decisions based on faith.
It is just a very bad idea to do so and I encourage people to avoid doing so.
This does however end up making people become atheist.

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I don't try to convert them. And I do expect the same in return.

chuckles Level 6 Dec 30, 2017
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I don’t think you can convert someone to atheism. It’s more of a perspective shift or a logical awakening. It’s not a separate faith, though it’s, in my opinion, a belief.

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No lets not destroy the planet-thats a wonderful goal. I never met an atheist who tried to convert a god fearing/god loving person. Has anyone?

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I can't stand when people try to push their beliefs on me, so I would never do that to anyone else. "To each his own" seems to be a fairly common sentiment among atheists (because we want people to let us be).

Tecolote Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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I don't assume that I have the influence to convert anyone, they must consider such a change. I offer my arguments against only what they might be willing to share with me and this means that I pay as close of attention as I think they should to themselves. That is the real skill they seem to be lacking, listening to what they believe and then comparing that to evidence. I don't claim to know everything but often monotheists impose on the nontheists that we do.

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The church of England as an organisation is pro-evolution. Just throwing it out there.

I ultimately don't try to convert people, if they are only atheists because it's what they've been told then they might as well be theists because it's what they've been told.

I suppose for faith and science to properly coexist within a person it only requires them to not believe the dogma. Saying there is a being(s) that created us isn't necessarily at conflict with scientific enquiry, it's what you mean by "being" that is crucial.

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It's certainly possible, and there are many examples of this, for people to believe in evidence-based scientific theories and unsupported ideas about supernatural beings at the same time. This compartmentalization of the mind is a little upsetting to me personally. Francis Collins is an example.

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For some of us, the existence or non existence of god is not an arbitrary hypothetical, but a foundational principle. I for one hold that if some whimsical being can violate the laws of reality(not as we understand them, but the actual laws of reality) while interacting with reality, there are no laws of reality and understanding reality to any degree is impossible. Therefore although I agree we should shelve principle for the practical, the insistence of gods existence is truly repulsive. To me, it’s like saying “I believe global warming is as real as anything but everything is fake.” It makes me want to just slap people. I don’t want to convert idiots, I just want the idiocy to die out, whether that means the idiots die out or learn.

DJVJ311 Level 7 Dec 30, 2017
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Why would anyone want to convert someone to atheism? Only people insecure in their beliefs want to convert others. At best.

Druvius Level 7 Jan 2, 2018
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Whoa! Wait just a mite here. What the hell is this atheistic belief crap? What priest do I talk to to find out about this dogma of the atheistic faith?

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why battle

btroje Level 9 Dec 30, 2017
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