There’s some hope for passage of the bill if Mitch Mconnel would just bring it up as it’s alfeady passed the house and Trump is almost certain to sign it.

Nice to have someone with a little sense on the website.

Thailand has some of the strictest sentences including death for drugs but also have some of the cheapest easily sourced drugs. the logic could be that they clamp down more because the problem is so rampant. seriously wouldn't you rather just not have all these guns in society even if it's not realistic?

I thought Maine and Vermont did not even require a permit. I can carry in 37 states with my Oklahoma permit. In Oregon I can’t carry concealed but can carry openly. Go figure.

@Trajan61 Oh yeah,,, you can carry there,, but getting there is the problem.. When you look at the map, you see that you have to go through NY at some point,, and they're a pain in the ass...

It’s no use debating Diarmaede on anything. He is one of the most vile Trump hating individuals on this site. He would not give the president one ounce of credit for any of his positive accomplishments even if his life depended on it. I would just ignore the schmuck.

@Specman Good idea that’s what I will do in the future!

There have never been many problems with licensed concealed carry holders. It’s a violation of the 2nd amendment for liberal states like California to deny law abiding citizens their rights when it comes to firearms.

@Trajan61 what is your concept of "many" in the above statement?? again... common sense with a gun nut... as they say not many killings or "problems"

Among all the law-abiding gun owners (have permits) there are over 300 million guns, and over 12 trillion rounds of ammo.. If we were the problem, you'd know it. .. Sense the early 90s, legal gun ownership has gone UP over 60%, and the number of gun homicides have dropped over 50%.. And if you take out the city and states with the most stringent gun laws, the numbers are even more divided.. The stats tell the story..

@Captain_Feelgood The stats do tell the story. You are right. How many gun deaths were there last year in Australia? Japan? UK?? the stats tell rational people all they need to know. It is gun nuts who will try to tell you we need more guns not less and not more restrictions. They don't care about life or it would be a rational conversation. Australia 1996... what happened there? the death rates after the changes? how many gun massacres have they had? I know... I am talking to a brick wall when addressing a gun nut... Uncle... go on killing

@briangs well I suppose if you look at how many die in USA by gun and then other nations... LOL again... no talking sense to a gun nut. Be well

@briangs just for good measure, look at the crime stats immediately after new (good sense) gun laws took effect in Australia and what those stats are now. Crime rates did go up a bit and then down exponentially. They value life over weapons though.

@briangs The constitution has evolved over time... just not the gun nuts... really just be well

@briangs you have a lot of time on your hands don't you? Do you think it might be better spent with a fellow mayhem and death lover?

@briangs that has to be false... michiganders are total gun freaks and everyone I know here has a concealed carry permit. One fuckwit I dated needed to have it in his jacket to go to a movie. LOL Those might be NRA stats... I would not trust them for anything.

@briangs maybe you are in a militia? that is what it states

You need to look at the Australian stats on gun control again. Before 1996 when the Australians disarmed law abiding citizens burglaries were relatively low. By 2006 10 years after the seizure of the guns the burglary rate was among the highest in the world!

In England a homeowner shot an intruder who had broken into his home and is in more trouble than the intruder. That is totally absurd. Here in the states you have the right to defend your home with deadly force.

yes but murder and prisons and gun life are out of control in America

@briangs In a case where the city wouldn’t allow you to have a gun in your own home I’d think that would be in direct violation of the second amendment and had already been declared unconstitutional in a Chicago case.

your not going to accidentally kill anyone with a taser

the intruder didn't have a gun you must remember

@Trajan61 Actually I don't believe that is true in every State either. In fact it is not. In some states you need to determine that the intruder has a weapon/gun before you use deadly force. Yup sure - we have to stop to ask? Gees.....

@RavenCT Maybe not in every state but here in Oklahoma if someone breaks into your home you have every right to shoot them wether they are armed or not.

now that is fucking stupid

There have been almost no problems with concealed carry permit holders carrying guns.

Let’s just go back to cave men days where the biggest and strongest just beat the crap out of you and take what they want often even your life. I’m tired of being victimized by crinimals and i intend to defend myself. The gun is just a tool to level the playing field and give yourself a better chance.