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Should employers have the right to hire someone based on looks?

Do you think appearance should be allowed to be a factor as a hiring practice? Are there fields where this should be considered acceptable ( I.e. when the "product" is beauty or the theme represents a fantasy of sorts)?

Think restaurants like Hooters (who were sued for not allowing men to be waiters), casinos, retail stores (Abercrombie and Fitch had a lawsuit)...

Is this ever acceptable? If so, when should this be allowed vs. not?

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silvereyes 8 Jan 16
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Will have voted that it's ok in specific industries , but my default view is No. In the UK, employers can employ people based on specific characteristics like employing women in a domestic violence refuge center but looks..... ? Not a big fan plus there is a discriminatory element to it.

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A employer should be able to hire anyone they want to its there business.

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Well, if you're trying to get in a Hooters, or Girls Girls Girls, I think looks are a huge part of those jobs. Modeling is another.

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I don't think so because they should hire people who are qualified or know how to do the job. I know a lot of pretty girls who got a job but couldn't do basic math.

It's not just pretty girls, maths is hard for a lot of folks.

I am constantly amazed when training people and they say that they can't do %

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model or actor like really shouldn't we know this

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Don't they do that now? Your appearance at a face-to-face interview makes a lot of difference whether you get hired.

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I haven’t given this much thought so I’m not sure what all the issues are, but at first glance, I would say that for positions where the person would interact with the public or represent the company in other contexts where their appearance might affect the outcome… a case could be made. But for somebody who spends their entire workday in a cubicle, or a warehouse, no.

skado Level 9 Jan 17, 2018
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I'm pretty liberal about appearance in the workplace, but I'm a little on the fence here. On the one hand, I don't think anyone should be discriminated against because of superficialities, so long as they can do the job. But, to some extent, people in certain positions are models, a part of the marketing effort, and that's more difficult to clearly nail down. And then there's the problem of visible tattoos. What happens if someone has a neck tattoo of a gun? That seems implicitly aggressive. Or a face tattoo with a gang symbol? Those would be hard to cover up, and I can see a public business being hesitant to hire someone who looked like that to be a host or greeter at an upscale business. But should someone be punished perpetually for a mistake they made many years ago? I don't have an answer. I don't feel like there's a good, clean answer to be had. And I find that to be frustrating.

@silvereyes I guess when I mentioned tattoos, I was thinking about someone who got a dumb neck tattoo when he was 16 and now, 20 years later, regrets it and has difficulty finding work. I just feel bad for anyone who's saddled with that for the rest of their life, because it's going to forever affect their employment options.

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Yes, i hate my answer but yes. probably why i can't get a security or body guard job cause I'm 5'6.

@silvereyes Yeah I've seen that too. i wanted to be a body guard when I got out the Marines and got denied cause of my height despite my credentials.

@silvereyes lol probably not. RIP Bruce Lee and Brandon Lee. I bet god hired both of them to be his body guards/hit man. When anybody threatens god god would hide behind Brandon and be like KICK THERE ASS BRUCE WHIP THER FUCKIN ASS.

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While certain positions could have legitimate reasons to consider appearance as a factor in employment, like models and actors, no industry should be able to consider appearance for all roles, especially roles where the general public never sees the employee in their professional capacity. I would, however, support legislation that would place a restriction on using appearance in all hiring simply because it could positively affect social biases about the definition of beauty to see the beauty/ fashion industry forced to cater to all body types and appearances.

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I know this sounds terrible but appearance sells. If i needed to hire 5 out of 10 people to do a specific job and they're all mentally qualified and academically qualified. If i needed the 5 to be physically in shape to be able convince others that my firm is the best then those are the 5 I would hire. It's nothing personal... it's business. If i didn't need a qualified person as a greeter at a business I owned then I would hire the pleasant looking person. I got hired because there were no beautiful people out there that could do what i could do. Trust me... 3 of the new hires were over weight but the best qualified. I still had to get into the tight spots they couldn't squeeze into. That's life i guess. It's the same with dating and getting married. Most people don't settle... they seek out and find what they're looking for.

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Well, if your're gauging from appearance, I will agree. I wouldn't want to hire anyone that's not well groomed and smells bad.

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What if I am intentionally trying to avoid discriminating, is that in itself a form of discrimination?

Say I hire an unattractive person to do a job rather than a more attractive person with the same abilities just to prove I'm not discriminating based on looks?

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Does "appearance" include things like hygiene and skin conditions? Because if I'm a business owner (spoiler: I'm not) I don't want to hire anyone who I reasonably feel may turn away customers and end up hurting my business. This means maybe someone with peeling skin is not hired to handle food, or someone with visibly missing teeth is not hired as host/hostess. If all you're talking about is male vs female, attractive vs ugly, fat vs thin, then no.

It sucks that we live in such a shallow society that unconventional-looking people get short shrift. I'd like to work toward changing that. But not by forcing a bad solution. Here's how I think of it: if missing teeth guy doesn't get the job, it affects him, maybe his family. If missing teeth guy gets the job and the business suffers because customers are turned off and stay away, then many more people are potentially negatively impacted by the downturn.

If the yacht store doesn't want to hire some dumpy middle aged gray head because they think only young fit attractive salesmen will be able to perform up to the specifications they desire, well...I just don't know there. I don't think it's fair, but I also think snooty yacht store owners should be free to staff their businesses whichever way they prefer for the sake of the business. It's a pickle, and I'm no justice scholar.

So that's an "other" for me.

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I have worked in a large number of situations from fast food to heavy industry. Let me clue you that there are many people working in industry you would not want handling your food. Some professions require a certain look that not everybody has. This is another one of those questions that has a range of answers and situations.

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We all 'hire" based on looks . A twinkle in the eye will do

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I voted for specific needs...

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Models, actresses/actors, spokeswomenspokesmen

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Entertainment like movies it's almost crucial to hire based on looks, even with CGI. Can't have Johnny Depp playing Tyrion Lannister(though normal height people were hobbits...), a Female Thor, or someone with dreadlocks playing Stephen Hawking or Steve Jobs.

Hawking with dreads = awesome.

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I don't much like the idea; however, in certain circumstances it's permitted in the UK - Indian restaurants are allowed to specify that only people Indians and people of Indian descent will be considered for waiting jobs, for example, because Indian staff are what customers expect. Personally, I wouldn't mind a white person serving me my curry any more than I'd mind an Indian person dishing up my fish and chips.

Jnei Level 8 Jan 16, 2018
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