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When to switch primarily identifying as an Agnostic to Atheist?

At what point should a person make their main identifier (regarding the God question at least) be Atheist instead of simply Agnostic?

I'm contemplating the switch myself, but from my background, it would be a pretty substantial one for me to make. So I'd love to hear other peoples' thoughts.

Rhetoric 7 Sep 3
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When I told my parents I did not believe in a god they asserted I was "just an agnostic". . At the time I was not aware of the term. When they correctly defined agnostic I firmly asserted, "No. lack a belief in a supernatural sky daddy. I am (not) a theist. Not a theist is an (a)theist." That was many decades ago.

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I called myself an Agnostic for a large part of my life. I didn’t believe in god, and thought the Bible was at best a badly written fictional novel, loosely based on ancien Middle Eastern history. But there were things that happened in my life that random just couldn’t seem to explain. I would call it destiny, but destiny would need a controller, which would lead back to a god, which I couldn’t justify as existing. I also considered Atheists to be the “fundamentalists” of non believers, pushing their non belief on others as Evangelicals pushed Christianity. Then I heard about the chaos theory, which explained things that happened that seemed to not be random, without involving a deity to run things. This, a better understanding of what Atheism is and a more militant view of Christian privilege, allowed me to quite proudly call myself an Atheist! ?

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It's up to you. If you are ready to take the heat and take stand. Call yourself an atheist. If you are on the fence and can't say with conviction that there are no gods, call yourself agnostic.

There is a diagram somewhere on this site with 4 different types of agnostic and atheist beliefs. That might help you to see that it isn't really a black/white issue. I have no idea how to find it right now but maybe someone else might.

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When you not only lack belief in the gods of any particular religions, but actively disbelieve due to the mountain of evidence demonstrating their errancies, contradictions, absurdities, and corrupt origins and perpetuation. Then you can drop the Agnostic tag. If you simply lack belief but don't actively disbelieve yet, that's Agnostic Atheism.

I would disagree with that because that still is a very narrow definition of religion. I have a tendency to consider myself an ignostic. an ignostic is someone who believes that the definition of what God is is so widely varied that it is impossible to be agreed upon. if we can't even agree on a unambiguous definition of God how can we so embrace the fact that it cannot under any circumstance exist.

@Kojaksmom I never said that such a "whatever" cannot exist. I simply have zero belief in any specific deity (not ambiguous deities which are not attached to dogmas or doctrines) which has been espoused by any religions. Actively disbelieving in a specific deity is the same as positively believing they are bogus confabulations.That there could be some ambiguous "whatever" is perhaps interesting to speculate about, but doesn't impact the way I act one iota. To promote that outlook as being of some great significance uselessly and unecessarily clouds the issue by giving cover to religious zealots who would claim to speak in a god's name to tell you and I what to do and think, and is basically a position of being paralyzed into indecision by chasing theoretic speculations down silly rabbit holes.

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I don't worry much about labels, but if you want to be accurate about what you believe and don't want to make a long explanation when asked, choose the word that best describes what you think about how you feel. don't choose the label first. find out how you feel first.

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Just do it and get into reality....

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I sometimes call myself a 'broard church' skeptic, because I think that the biggest split do not forget is between belief and none belief, compared with leaving groundless faith behind the other divisions are tiny, and the most important thing have left behind with that faith is dogma.

Hi @Fernapple! Welcome to Agnostic. 🙂

I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to say...

Are you mostly saying that what's more important is the difference between those who have dogmatic beliefs and those who don't (especially regarding deities), than the difference between Atheist/Agnostic? If so, then I agree, too. 🙂

@Rhetoric Yes that's it. I am sorry I was in haste this morning and perhaps did not make myself plain. De spilling an gamma pinctuation is tirrable two. Must be more careful.

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just today I came across a really nice post that had the term "soul" in it . It was by no stretch of the imagination a religious meme. it was violently ripped apart by an atheist because there is no such thing as a soul. I would say if you are so convinced that you have all the answers of unanswerable questions without having any scientific proof you're an atheist.

Yes, it is sad to see when this happens via some atheists.

But, (while being reasonably critical of some atheists) seeing as you also identify as an atheist (among other things) I'm curious what that means to you?

@Rhetoric I can't remember who said this, but it perfectly sums up how I feel. he said if you are a Christian, a Muslim or a Jew I am an atheist. If you are anything else, I'm an agnostic. I do not believe in a living God and do not believe the Bible should be taken literally . I do not believe in religion as it has been presented to me. However, I do not, nor will I ever, profess to know if God exists in some form or not. I simply do not know, and I'm not sure if anybody could ever know. it's very similar to making a statement that there is absolutely no way that there could be life on other planets. how could anybody make that assertion when were like kindergarteners in our knowledge of exactly what is out there.

@Kojaksmom ... interesting. Thanks!

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All true religious beliefs have to be explored and defined from being 'Atheistic' from the ground floor. So being now in the existential realm you must examine all religious and historical evidence available which will take you into the realms of Philosophy and many reading of ancient authors of renown.
Agnosticism is full blown healthy skepticism that exists in ever religious persons cognitive mind because all documented religions are based upon belief and lack the historical and documented findings or record.
We are not mentioning another Scientific Source of Creation which is becoming more evident as we explore the stars and planets which go way back into history.

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