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What do you guys think.

So , i was recently at a funeral service, my mother's. I have been an atheist my entire life. and my siblings are non "believers" as well. My mother had discovered jehovah in later years. I really don't know much about that sect. The only thing I do know is that they think/beleive is that only 150.000 people will allowed into heaven. That always made me wonder why anyone would really want that???. My question is that during the service the pastor seemed to be using Jehovah and Jesus Christ in the same sentence, he refered to jehovah as god and JC as the holey son. Now i do know a good deal about christianity and the whole think just seemed odd, even flawed, but idk, what do you guys think.

Carla1963 6 Sep 10
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I am very sorry for your loss. You only get one mom. ? Wouldn't you think that quota of 150,000 people was filled a few centuries ago? These folks might as well party their fannies off. The inn is full.

@beerhungry, it looks like Michael has a problem with VW bugs, too.

@GlyndonD I don't think these people like us very much.

That was so funny.

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Sorry to hear about that. Well, funerals are more about supporting the grieving families than anything else.

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Why waste any effort figuring out their BS?

just asked because i thought the guy had messed up

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When it comes to death cults, I really, really like those Jehovas Witinesses followers. The organization is something else. Like all other death cult spin-offs of the Abrahamic theologies, the 'Witnesses' are overseen by males. They also base their entire perspective on allegedly inspired determinations of what is and is not 'scripture'; scripture being an unquestionable level of dictates originating with their god.

One of the most corrupt proceedings in the ancient world was the council at Nicaea and it was the determiner of which ancient writings qualified as 'scripture'. It was also glaringly consistent with all major religions since that era of being entirely male dominated.

The witnesses are scholarly and well meaning folks. The fatal flaws with them are shared with all other major cults in that males lead them.

My beliefs differ from all such cults in that I believe women to be humanity's better natural leaders and that males are vital to the protection and support of that status.

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My mom died in 2008 and I went to the funeral, but that was the LAST religious funeral I will ever go to.It was a catholic mass. They are not quite as bad as JW, but not far behind.

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Why do so many religions seem to want to find a way to keep believers out of heaven, just one of the many things that make me wonder why anyone wants to believe, especially the jehovah’s with that limit on heaven, would have to think it’s getting pretty full already, I mean i’m No mathematician but we have about 8billion people, 150,000 goes into that what like half a billion times, at least some of those people have to be good enough for jehovah, and that’s only the people alive now how about all the people from say the last 2000 years, and also all the future people, not sure this number is going to be as big as everyone expects, so ya nobodies odds are good at getting into jehovah’s heaven, but hey if your a good jehovah and you don’t get in, you can always get into catholic heaven with a few hail mary’s And an our father
My condolanced on you mom

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I'm sorry for your loss. Run away jw bs. You will be better off. JW is most messed religion in christainity. Followed by the mormons and catholics.

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My condolences on your loss.

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Sorry about your mom. Cancer got mine last may. I do not think we had a religous funeral with mom,sister and grandparents. We just had a wake for all 4. If i recall my cultural anthro stuff. That is one of american sects. It was one of the american sects that came up with rapture. Sorry for your loss

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They don't vote. That's a positive thing about them, anyway.

I did not know that

@DavidAckerman Some do not concern yourself with "worldly" things.

Or whatever shit.

@BufftonBeotch american base belief crazy bunch

that was one of the MANY hypocrisies that bothered me, the no celebration of holidays / yet wanted to be invitied to xmas, shows up without gifts for the kids ( with the oxymoron excuse of " i don't celebrate xmas", complaining about world issues, yet no voting, etc, etc. There were many "discussions" especially when she first converted as we had ALWAYS been an agnostic / atheist family, and we all though she had lost her mind.

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Well, what that fellow was saying is in keeping with what they believe. They don't buy into the trinity thing at all, so they consider the Big Boy in the Attic as the supreme creator dude and the Dead Jew on a Stick is the son. They are not one in the same and there is no holy spirit per se.

They only celebrate one holiday and that is in recognition of how the Nazareth Kid got to be the Dead Jew on a Stick. Because this was supposed to have occurred on Passover, they celebrate once a year on the 14 day of the Hebrew month of Nisan (the Jewish calendar). They commemorate this fabled death as a ransom or 'propitiatory sacrifice.' They call it the Lord's Evening Meal or Memorial. No other celebrations are recognized.

That number is 144,000. 144,000 will go to the Great Foreverland Park in the Sky. The remainder of the 'saved' will enjoy Forever After Blissful Life on a perfect Earth without global warming and no threat of the sun ever going nova. This all has to be true because the guys at the Watchtower Society say it is.

Aren't they also the one's who believe g_d has a wife? I mean in heaven. Not all those virgins on earth he's raped.

@BufftonBeotch -- You're talking about Asherah. She is mentioned in the OT, and there is considerable controversy over the idea of her being the wife of the Dominant Dude in the Clouds. As for the JWs, I don't know if they believe in that.

I know that some of them think that the Nazareth Kid hitched up with Mary Magdalene and they had children and that, supposedly, comes from the 'Lost Gospel.' I don't know much about that, either. Sorry.

@evidentialist I love the way you talk about this bullshit.
Last bit also somewhat dramatized in that "Last Temptation" movie that made people lose the damn minds.

Almost forgot: The Mormons (the second 'm' is silent) do believe that their Supreme Schmuck is married to the Mother in Heaven (she's where the souls come from). They got this from the alcoholic con man who invented their religion.

Dead Jew on a stick!!! Heavens to Betsy, that made me laugh!

@Holli , me too! I am gonna use that one.

@Holli, Betsy does not get Heaven.

@evidentialist your pronouns are hilarious, and your assessment of JW is correct. Glad read this thread.

@GlyndonD -- Why? What did Betsy do?

@evidentialist Betsy died.

@GlyndonD -- And she doesn't get heaven. Poor Betsy.

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i am sorry about your mother.

re jw, i have a friend/acquaintance who was raised, and still is as far as i know, jw. she has told me about sexual abuse and the church's main concern regarding it, which is to cover it up and punish people for speaking out. that doesn't make me like them much, as delusional sects go.

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Sorry about your mom.
JWs are a weird lot. I mean, all believers are fairly weird, but the JWs take it
to another level. Like Mormons.
They're ALL cults.

some of those cults have ALOT of numbers, i learned very early just smile and nod.........

@Carla1963 I don't do that anymore. I have NO respect for the delusions of others. I don't pretend to, either. I will never do anything to make any of them feel comfortable to demonstrate their delusions ever again.
I have to tolerate them by law, I do not have to respect them.

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