This is not my my feelings ; sure observation may not equate to causation but however take a look around do comparisons to nature than tell me if we are as advanced as you say.

@AShep82 compare to what?
We beat up most of our diseases, the best natural environment (wild wheat on Babylon) can maybe provide for some families per hectare, we are in a civilization where 1% of people needs to work on food production the other 99% can do other specializated works.
We can use sources of energy that we didn't even could imagine 500 years ago, we are absolute top of food chain, we can hunt any other apex predators in their habitat. Actually we handicap ourselves and avoid actively using all tools on our box so it is more challenging.
We have cultures and we can beat our instincts based on racionality, we developed the scientific method and 300 years after we put the first object out of our solar system.
We use math and physics to find with precision pieces of rock light years distant.
We can "see" atoms that are smaller than light itself.
You feel we are not advanced because you look what we can be, but look where we were before

@AShep82 compare to nature where any animal can die of infection with a scratch, while we can fight again cancer with fair chances?
Or with any animal that can live In a very narrow climate area where we can live from the poles to deserts?

But I think you missed my point here; I’m just going to lay it out for you here in plain ; the point is that we as humans still exhibit remains of our evolutionary ancestors ( Animalism/primal) traits than compare that to wildlife nature ; I.E ( ADHD,finding a mate,anger) I could go on and on with other examples just enough for you to get the point.

End point Behaviorism

Basic psychology bro

Point blank now ; we still exhibit the characteristics of the “ eat or be eaten “ philosophy; now compare to wildlife I.E lions in a pride or any other wildlife in nature and our evolutionary ancestors compare to us now as a species ; do you not see this philosophy if eat or be eaten still oporating in today’s society.

@AShep82 ah, of course we will always be, culture will always evolve ahead of biology, and it will accelerate even more

@Pedrohbds yes science has the capacity to treat some things but not all ; you take superbugs for example you take antibiotics to kill these organisms and yet these organisms would adapt to the anti biotics ; sure we have the technology to use even atoms ( even weaponizing atoms I.E the Atom Bomb) ; we can make these advances but we cannot elimanate common ancestral characteristics such as anger and any other traits from our primitive past( just speculating with this but why not tweak with the Double helixes in our DNA strands and /or find something on a molecular level to do so ) I’m am definitely not saying for humans to become sociopaths but for the sake of our advancement why not eliminate all primitive aspects from our genes.

@AShep82 do we want to change the characteristics and imperfections that makes us humans and not computers?

@Pedrohbds it does seem like sterilization; I am thinking of it as genetic house cleaning eliminating all the negative traits we no longer have a need for I.E our tailbone’s , do we really need it ? What purpose does it serve , anger do we really need it if we as a species have the capacity for logic and reasoning ; our brains have served us immensely from its infancy until now. Just several examples though as to make a point and not prattle on ( might as well write you a book at that point) lol

@AShep82 well if you have one of this traits, do not reproduce.
This kind of talk og eliminating some genes is dangerous can go to very dark places.

@Pedrohbds it makes sense to me to eliminate any Unnecessary genes from ( the ones we don’t need any more as a species ; if it means evolving to the next stage ; wouldn’t it make sense?

@AShep82 you might want to get rid of something, some people won't want, some people will want to have biologic children even having a way over average genetic problems, who can stop them?

From an evolutionary perspective; ( I could be completely inaccurate about this as far as what species of “ human kind “ from homoerectus to earlier variations of such as our “Measuring stick” from than to now being our starting point ( and perhaps human kind may not be finished evolving ) from than until now is the only point we can measure to ; but my point being here we still exhibit characteristics from than I. E ; the way we continue on our species ( we may not be aware of it happening; and even anger can be considered a primitive trait as well all part of that part of our brains ( it may still exist).

@Humanistheathen providing our species makes it to the next evolution point ; and yes I still think it is a continual process ; who knows our species may end up wiping it self out of existence.

@Humanistheathen and another point of this being ; If you were to look in the wild life there are multiple species that rely on “ an alpha male “ model ; and we are no different as humans I.E our presidents,priministers, emperors , over lords, and yes even the theists that believes in their god(s) still primitive in nature; and now compare this model to a pride of Lions and tell me that you see these same primitive traits and even us humans finding a mate is still primitive.

@Humanistheathen I think it is laughable how the theists still cling on to their ways ; the reason I use this is term is if you were to look at our “ distant cousins “ being erectus and other forms of human nature it is what may have been the starting point or our intellect at its base form ( while our intellect was still in its infantcy ) it is raw perhaps the same could be said about animalistic

@Humanistheathen and it could be seen with Said “beta’s “ in our society; the term “primitive” can still be applicable even in today’s standards I.E the beta’s could possibly be our anarchists in your example of how the beta’s would gang up to murder the Alpha.

I agree ; we as a species has become materialistic; and what ever happened to altruism?

@AShep82 Oh, it's alive and well.. just ask all those "pay it forward " people..they will be glad to tell you just how many good deeds they do!?

I agree, and this will be our downfall. The key is to find a balance. Otherwise mass destruction is the only way that we will change. (Just my belief)

@Sharlee Oh yeah, we're there, working quietly in the backgound.

We are not that smart, but our brain and culture developed a lot of tricks so we can mimic real smartness.
That's why is vital to have as many as possible humans educated, well fed and safe.
Our power is in the numbers, not in the individuals.
It's like a pc with hard drive.
The books and articles is the hard drive, the mind of scientists are the ram memory and our communication network/laboratories network represents the processor. We only work with the knowledge copied to the brains, and each brain has a very limited capacity and the laboratories can only be used by a limited amont of brains at each time.
So it is important to increase the network of laboratories and the number of brains loaded with information.

Humans are not strong as individuals, but as a species we can do awesome stuff.

@Pedrohbds I do agree that we as a species can do greater things as a whole if we forget about the notion of war, genocide ,hate ,bigotry and over all ignorance ; thus my statement of genetically modified genes to do a little “house cleaning” of our animalistic/primitive traits that we no longer need.

@AShep82 Genetic engineering to create a "better" human is a dangerous road. Who gets to decide which traits are "good" and "bad" and how would it be implemented? In all it hints of Nazi era forced sterilization. Besides, as far as I know they have not identified a gene that is responsible for bigotry and let alone, "over all ignorance".

Exactly; we no longer procreate to populate but rather “ opps I forgot to wear a condom or even if I have a baby I can get paid from the government “ and even for the sake that they have a a huge bank account and they look good” but there is a huge problem with all of this; it really doesn’t give a chance to really get to know the other person and what they are all about and only to find out that they are a beater and thus comes the labels “ I hate men/women are bitches” it doesn’t seem logical does it?; and what was the definition of insanity that Einstein quoted?

@AShep82 much of what you say is Euro/American centric. Look at the rest of the world, especially emerging nations and those still under third world conditions.

We are still at the whim of natural selection weather we want to think we are or not ; take the mid to lower class in society ( some multiply more rapidly than others) and some are just left wanking off like it owes us money.

Yes ; we need to help our fellow human out if we expect any positive mutation in the gradual evolution no matter how trivial the need be or what may seem trivial to one is another it may be a difficult endeavour; such as finding a mate in life.

@AShep82 I agree with that. My most interesting challenge, finding a mate.

As advanced as we are technologically; we still are as primitive as our ancestors; which does sound like a contradiction in itself ; until these traits are weeded out via evolution ; we are still a primitive species.

I think that as advanced as we are technologically; I still think we are ; and here is why I think we are : 1. We still seek the “alpha “ in our society ( president,prime minister , government...etc) 2. Look at the wild life in nature particularly the Lions even with procreation; what do you notice with their behaviour? And compare it to ours a human species;3. Our propensity for conflict;4. Our means of providing for our “clan” . But this is just a few examples .

Well said and spot on!

@Sharlee Thank you.

Here’s hoping the Jiu Jitsu I’m taking up will help with the focus aspect of it and even the hyperactivity ( though I am taking concerta for the ADHD) I can definitely see multiple benefits to Jiu Jitsu aside from the self defence , I think it could help with exercise, even finances ( wanting to be sure I have enough in my account to afford it , confidence and perhaps a sense of pride of learning new things and successfully doing each thing taught; definitely loving it so far.

A good read.

That may be one of the definitions ; but I’m referring to the definition that pertains to : “a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained” ( from Webster’s Dictionary)

I like your reasoning.. makes sense and explains some still present primitive behavior in others!