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Atheism and psychedelics

Many people who use psychedelics say that it caused them to believe in god, or strengthened their belief. If you are someone who uses psychedelics, do you think it strengthened your lack of belief? Did/does it help you in any way? Spiritual experiences? Spiritual, in a non-religious way... More like a feeling of connectedness, centeredness, and renewed appreciate for the cosmos and all within it?

Just a random thought. Only answer if you don't disagree with psychedelic use, please.

RaeBxtchens 5 Mar 16
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When I got out of the marines, I was a complete ass. And couldn't see it. I thought it was everybody else (without really knowing it). A friend of mine gave me a bunch of little pieces of paper and said, "take this." Not to be daunted by little pieces of square paper, I did. Had one of the happiest few days of my life up til then. Realized that I had changed and needed to evolve back into the real world. I continued to take these little pieces of paper off and on for about a year or two, until it wasn't that fun anymore...I had gotten out of it what I needed and quit (for the most part...think I took 'the little pieces of paper or vitamin c tablets a few times over the next 10 years, but it was just not the same). It was more of an internal trip than an external trip for me.

@HoaryMarmot ooo raw!

@AncientNight Land of the sand flea!

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I had a similar post. I will say i have not used them, but if you listen to sam harris, you know that it does alter consciousness in some useful ways at least.

I'm skeptical about the claims, but a lot of people say you'd have to try it to really get why they think it's a way of communication with the supernatural. It does change people. I'm convinced it changes your personality. The most interesting thing is some of the most powerful psychedelics closely mimic human neurochemistry. The real question is, why is our neurochemistry so hallucinogenic?

my point is, there must be a benefit to this. What exactly is going on there is a mystery, but the important thing to keep in mind is it's up for exploring and nobody has to sway you one way or another about it. It's entirely possible we'll explain everything about it one day. There are plenty of people that take these things and don't have any profound experiences.

Sam harris, instead of a religious experience, just felt a sense of love and a lack of ego.

It does change you. It makes, or rather, let's you see the world in a whole different way. It's unique to the person.
For my part, I'm glad I did it. I haven't taken any in years but I think it opened my eyes to profound beauty and enhanced my natural desire to examine and explore....well...everything. I prefer mushrooms over acid. I felt the experience was more satisfying somehow. I'd be interested on who here prefers what over what and why....

Thank you for your response! I agree that it can change you, or it can bring you back/re-center you. I've found it has renewed my passion and empathy... and, as you said, removed ego. I'm filled with overwhelming feelings of love, "connectedness," and happiness. It's therapeutic.

You pose some interesting ideas, as well. Thanks again for sharing 🙂

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First of all shrooms are the safest of all drugs of nature. Safer than marijuana even. And I have most certainly heard that their use is beneficial for many reasons mentally. My experience with them was brief and nondescript - but also in the 80's. So I plan on retracing that route soon.

I had my worst experiences on psilocybin. For me it cuts in and out, which is the worst. So you think you can do something, then all of a sudden you forget what you are doing...haha...got the crap kicked out of me at a Napalm Death show because I went out in the pit and forgot why I was there....haha

I agree

I did shrooms twice. Once I laughed until I couldn't laugh anymore. The other time was horrible. Lot's of crying, then laughing, crying, then laughing. Huge spiders on the ceiling. Ugh....

I disagree about safest. Shrooms often give rougher side effects than acid (pure, true acid). LSD is safe, non-toxic (can't OD), and you build up a tolerance too quickly to form a physical addiction. LSD is safe, and you retain enough ego to still function (depending on dosage).

@RaeBxtchens Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes, - that I routinely repeat to different crowds - "There are old mushroom hunters, there are bold mushroom hungers, but there are no old bold mushroom hungers."

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I attended an Ayahuasca ceremony once. Knowing the power of DMT and the fact that it was in effect an intense, extended DMT experience, I was curious. As a frame of reference, I have only ever experienced Marijuana a few times, and that wasn't for me.

It was intense and spiritual, but not in the way of religion. It was as if something somewhere else in the universe was communicating with me, and is difficult to explain beyond that.

Interestingly, it is considered to be a healing ceremony. I went in with a sinus infection and hours after it was over, I was breathing clearly, and the infection was gone, not to return. As a student of medicine (on my own terms, not formally, though a Biochemistry professor offered to subsidize Med school and I wish I could have accepted) I want to know how THAT worked.

Thank you for sharing your experience with me, with us.

@RaeBxtchens But, of course! That's why we're all here, right?

@Meep70 Agreed, <3.

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I never find god(s) on mushrooms

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It can fuck your head right up like it partly did mine and religion is a crutch that does help them but it is a placebo. I didnt do that myself.

Religion or psychedelics?

not a religion at all but speed and cannabis and definitely psychedelics. I'm an over-thinker anyway. I ended up being sectioned nearly 5 years ago.

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