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I would be interested in hearing what what the group thinks about this question: Is there a difference between fact and truth?

Lmoore 2 Mar 18

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The Nunes memo (released by a US Senate committee for those outside of America) contained a series of facts. It was also intentionally designed to be misleading, through the use of other facts that were omitted. It attempted to create a story that was not the truth. When further facts were released, a more truthful story emerged.

miffy Level 5 Mar 18, 2018

GREAT example!

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a truth could be that I joined this site to possibly meet women, a fact would be that I joined today. One is a personal account that I belive, the other is evidence based.

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@MustardSeed nailed it. The difference described to me was "ice is cold". This is "truth" to most people and they can "test" it. If they touch it they feel what they know as "cold". This truth is "self evident", so to speak, but still a subjective observation.

Still, this truth is relative. In fact, any ice on earth would be far "warmer" than the cosmic background temperature, which is -455F.

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A fact is an evidence=based data point. Truth is the match between assertion and reality.

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Well, they're both nouns.

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Yes, there is a difference. While facts are "truths," truth can be more subjective (as is my interpreation). For example, take the myth of Persephone and Demeter in which the undying love of a parent is expressed. Demeter refuses to stop looking for her daughter despite great odds. This expresses "a" truth about humans, but there are no facts within the myth. The truth is also not universal as not all parents are as dedicated and some parents kill their offspring. The danger can be see in the syllogism: Demeter searches for her daughter and does not give up/Demeter is a parent/Therefore, all parents are dedicated to the children. "A" truth is not the same as "The Truth."

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Interesting. I have pondered the difference myself, indeed, proposing the same question with friends. I think truth is based in fact but includes elements of opinion; fact is testable and verifiable.

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"you can't handle the truth!"-could never be a fact 🙂

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Fact is what IS; truth is what is perceived.

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Fact cannot be combated with reasoning for it is logic itself but truth depends on a person's perspective and experience. ..
I cheated I asked Google

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Truth is spoken and fact just is

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Two different things.

A fact can be that it has snowed 8 inches. I think that is a lot (I live in New Jersey), where Canadians do not. We have two different opinions or perspectives. Is it true that 8 inches is a lot of snow?

Another fact is that there is a number written on the ground. I see the number 6, another person on the other side sees the number 9. Two different truths. We both can prove that the other is wrong. One of us has to change sides to see what the other is talking about.

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Yes. Facts are only true in the reference they are intended for.

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Yes, truth is lucid.

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From my point of view there is. Consider thinking of it this way. Facts are just that, the cold hard facts. They are bits and pieces of information that in and of themselves convey no sense of direct judgement. They convey no substantive sense of right or wrong by themselves. On the other side is truth, and I believe what truth is, is an excercise in consideration of what the motives behind the actions that created the facts are. Facts are devoid of motive. Truth takes into account why the facts are as they exist. Just my thoughts on the matter.

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There are no empirical truths, it is a strictly formal notiion. If by 'fact' you mean reality, we simply experience what is manafest, there is no hidden reality. That does not mean that the world does not exist, only that we can't know it as it exists.

cava Level 7 Mar 18, 2018
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I think, yes. I've spent a great deal of study on epistemology. Specifically objective and subjective. Truth comes from a subjective perception. Facts have more meat to them in terms of objective evidence.

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One sayin tells it all and u hear ppl sayit all the time...."my truth is......" so that makes truth subjective. facts are testable and provable and don't rely on any personal opinons or experiences.

jorj Level 8 Mar 18, 2018
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I guess I would use the concept of gravity. Fact: what comes up must come down. But “truth” is the “reasons” or the structure behind it. if I throw something off the roof, it will fall. But gravity is the truth behind the fact. Truth is hard to know because of everything that is involved. Facts tell us certain ‘aspects’ of truth, but only bits and pieces.

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I think "truth" is a more abstract concept, but buth tned to try to descrive similar concepts.

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I agree with all points stated here. I think the context for what truth is may be personal more than fact in some cases. That said, truth does appear to have facts within it scope.

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