You have some good points. There are a few different ways to attack religion. There are different reasons for opposing religions. My view is that the supernatural realm does not exist. Heaven does not exist so there is no place for gods to exist except in the minds of the so deluded.
Hope you are safe. Cheers GROG

Did you have heaven and hell mixed up? I remember feeling that heaven was for everyone else. I had my own, whatever it's called? Imagination! GROG

I know it is virtually impossible to change his mind, but what ideas or questions can I present to get him to imagine how I must feel, if heaven doesn't exist. GROG

I find that we rarely get the opportunity. And, we all understand the futility of even trying. It's like talking to an idiot, in any case, a person mentally ill due to their delusions. The challenge for me is to clarify my view and present it in a way that a believer might understand. GROG

Thanks for the history, but I'm from Mormon country. My g-g-grandfather joined in 1831. My g-grandfather had three wives. In any case, spread the word, they are delusional. GROG

It’s a sin to them. The buy bull says “Thou shalt not kill”. Includes suicide.

@SeaRay215ex mormons do not use the bible, they have the book of mormon, but despite that commandment, they can and will kill other living beings, so so much for that shit, the original post asked specifically for arguments, I provided one.

@SeaRay215ex And the "buy bull" is what it is all about. That is the buy, buy, buy your way into heaven because of a lot, and awful lot of Bull. Like most everything else, it's all about the money. GROG

The purpose of life must be fulfilled first and the golden goose must continue to produce. GROG

The LDS have a special kind of delusion.
"There will be few chosen, but those who make the grade will in some eons in the future, may becomes as Gods and have spiritual children of their own." That's Mormonism. GROG

@GROG Kolab is a "planet" where they meet with the Godhead, Jesus, Elohim and Joseph Smith, who will determine their eternity.

Wow, you're pretty rabid for an Aussie. GROG

@GROG I watched the morons destroy families in the town I grew up in they came in converted some of the weak minded the kids at school had a hell of a time because of it. They did not like the new rules in their houses and felt their parents were idiots but could do nothing. I am not kind to them at all.

@Budgie You know, the Morons have gotten worse over the years. Maybe it's because they believe the end is hearer? In the olden days many Morons were still in the habit of drink. That petered out a bit, but in my small home town 70 years ago there were two or three bars (beer only) and a pool hall. Not any more. The LDS Church puts a hell of a lot of pressure on their faithful. It may be driving them crazier than they normally would be. GROG

If you haven't heard the Mormon story, you are in for a treat. They cover all the bases, from the pre-mortal in the realm of God as an eternal soul, to the end of eternity. Family bonds and eternal progression.
I know it is virtually impossible to change his mind, But what ideas or questions can I present to get him to imagine how I must feel, if heaven doesn't exist. GROG

@GROG How can a man who is warm understand a man who is cold?

Once upon a time (1968 to be exact) there lived a land called Czechoslovakia. It lived under the rule of another state called the USSR. They both had the same belief system although the Czechs were not quite as strict. They both taught that all capitalism is corrupt and morally bankrupt. One of their examples was how the youth of the west was addicted to a powerful narcotic called Coca-Cola. This did not happen overnight. It took many, many years of indoctrination to instil this belief. It had to be repeated over and over again. Almost from birth, right through schooling and adulthood. (sound familiar)
Then one day an enlightened leader of Czechoslavakia allowed some people to travel to the west. One young 21-year old student did just that. He got off the plane, went to a cafe and guess what he did? In sheepish and whispered tones he asked: "C-can I have a... Coca-Cola please?" The waitress brought him his drink which he drank with high expectations of this "narcotic". As absolutely nothing happened and when the same thing didn't happen again he realised he had been conned all his life. He saw through all the lies and make-believe. How everything was dependent on faith/trust in a state that had patently lied to him.
Now I know that your friend does not drink Coke (caffeine) but I bet he has tried it at least once. A bit bad for your teeth/weight but not the kind of drug that drives you to rob your grandma for your next "hit". For you it is just a can of soda, for him, it is the road to hell. That is how fragile his house of cards is. It can be demolished by a fizzy drink and he is shit scared that one little slip will destroy all of his belief systems. Which include all of the talking snakes/donkeys, floods, Red-Sea parting, virgin birth, plus Brigham Youngs "revelations" and the words set in gold that conveniently got destroyed. The polygamy and racism towards blacks and native Americans that are now not part of Mormonism. Funny how what was true then is not now but the book remains the same? So what else is not really true? How can he be sure that the rules will not change later?

@273kelvin All very true. They are told to ask and that they will receive an answer. It's like, you better not doubt Santa Claus, or you won't get any presents. The devil works in strange ways. GROG

Thanks. The first thing you said is my point. "Paradise is the depiction of an ideal existence, where, after death, a person goes and has all that they ever could imagine,..." When you say "depiction of an ideal existence..." I understand that to mean, a mental image, imagination, a mental construct. The supernatural doesn't exist anywhere except in the human mind, but the religious believe it does. GROG