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What is the best way to have a convincing moral argument?

Unlike scientific or factual arguments, where the best positions are those with the best supporting evidence, moral arguments by their very nature cannot be based upon objective verifiable measurements. Almost every time I see an argument where morality is brought up, it becomes a contest of opinions.

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To me the best way to win a moral argument is not by verbal exchange, it's by actions. One can scream relentlessly that they the most moral person known to man, but their actions may tell otherwise.

Browneyedlady Level 6 Apr 16, 2018

This is it.^

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Be silent, be happy, treat everyone well and let that speak for you.

DEricLee Level 4 Apr 16, 2018

The be silent bit...is it open to variance? smile009.gif

@girlwithsmiles has to be. I actually never shut up.

Oh good smile001.gif I'm not the silent type, unless people are blatantly lying...then I'm mouse like.

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Found this normally works.

Coldo Level 7 Apr 16, 2018
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to be a convincing moral person, known by your acts, not words.

Spinliesel Level 7 Apr 16, 2018
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Name-calling, rock throwing, and when all else fails, an aluminum baseball bat.
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KKGator Level 8 Apr 16, 2018
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Jackboots and rifles seem effective.

WileEQuixote Level 6 Apr 16, 2018
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First you must assess if the conversation will be civil, respectful of everyones opinion and time is not rushed. Talking in turns, for example, will help here.
Second, a clear value system must be put in place to weigh the arguments i.e. reducing human suffering/life, environmental impact, future generations, freedom of expression, human rights, etc...
lastly, lots of alcohol to loosen inhibition (wink!)

Lukian Level 5 Apr 16, 2018
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When I get some free time (Wednesday) I'll put together a plan for you. It's fairly easy to follow and then all you need to do is be sceptical. Always get the other side to ask questions about their own thoughts.

Sofabeast Level 5 Apr 16, 2018

I lost my free time today, I was called into work at no notice on my day off. Please remind to sort out an argument package for you.

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Sam Harris is working on an evidence based system of morals and/or ethics. IMO that's an undertaking for several lifetimes, but a worthwhile one.

RobAnybody Level 6 Apr 16, 2018

@RonAnybody
I saw Harris talk about this idea. I think it’s based on whether an alleged action or statement increases or decreases human suffering. Quantifying it seems difficult. I like the idea.

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Don't like to argue morality or religion.

sassygirl3869 Level 8 Apr 16, 2018
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I think the key word is argument. As the quote says, it is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. Most people who want to argue their perceptions/morality are doing it more so to convince themselves than someone else. There are some very useful counseling techniques that work very well with people who want to argue, such as letting them “run the tape out”, parroting, summarizing, and active listening. Let them keep talking until they exhaust themselves and they usually say something foolish to get you to engage.

Love this quote by George Bernard Shaw:

I learned long ago not to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

Psmintexas Level 4 Apr 16, 2018
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Be true to yourself and live your morals.

Iamjustme Level 3 Apr 16, 2018
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Argue on the basis of hurting or not hurting people. If they try to drag it back to religion, just say you don't want to hear what they think god says, but what they have to say. Sometimes, it's a struggle to keep the conversation on track. (I'm in a closed argument group on fb, and some people think that name slinging is a good way to argue, and another just give the name slingers a hug meme. They catch on fast.)

ChrisLAbbey Level 5 Apr 16, 2018
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Slowly....and with an open mind.

Razorjelly Level 5 Apr 16, 2018
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That's like talking to a trump supporter.

kenriley Level 7 Apr 16, 2018

Usually, one and the same!

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Listen and respect

MsAl Level 5 Apr 16, 2018
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It is not possible to have a convincing moral argument with anybody whose morality is driven by their own personal fears.

irascible Level 8 Apr 16, 2018
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I'd say math. Do the math and see which option inconveniences the fewest people, or (what's the antonym of inconvenience?) conveniences the most, degrees need to be considered ofcourse. There's your moral compass.

LandonWebb Level 2 Apr 21, 2018
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Accept morality as Subjective, argue within that scope.
Use logic and win the day.

Not hard.

WileEQuixote Level 6 Apr 16, 2018
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I don't think you can have a convincing moral argument (as in persuading someone to your point of view). I do think one can share his/her point of view which could open someone up to a different perspective.

ssteiner9 Level 3 Apr 16, 2018
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Morality largely IS a contest of opinions because most "morals" are culturally constructed - Think about the idea of "walking marriages" where the "marriage" is basically a convenient sexual relationship...

In other words, If I were to tell you that for me I have guys over for sex and then send them away at sunrise - My brothers live with me and take care of my kids while I work... My babies have never really met their fathers, of whom there might be many... I would likely be called immoral. If I were Mosuo, however, I would just be a regular woman.

DesertRecluse Level 4 Apr 16, 2018
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be passionate about what youre saying?

jacpod Level 7 Apr 16, 2018
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Just live your life by treating others with Kindness and Respect. That in itself will diminish any argument against your morals. Conversely, it will strengthen your argument against those that would fault you for not being with their god. If they bring their god into the argument by saying whay he said, remind them that you're not interested in what their imaginary friend has to say, but what they have to say.

AncientNight Level 7 Apr 16, 2018
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Logic and honor is the only side one can be, to be on the right side.

Meiliken Level 5 Apr 16, 2018
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Try not to be personal and insulting .. if that fails make sure you have a bigger gun .!!!!!

Simon1 Level 7 Apr 16, 2018
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