Fruition to my evil plan and miskit to my rescue.

I suspect you're onto the gist of my tryst here.

" The natural life support system is one we all much share and the practice of meat eating has been clearly and scientifically shown to be extremely harmful for the system."

More information please.

@Polemicistical The media is awash with tons with facts and figures. One has to be really in denial to not have seen some of the information.the information: [nationalgeographic.com]
I just received the recent publication of "Nutrition Action Health Letter" and this issue, May 2021 is full of charts and information comparing plant based foods and meat (torture based food).

@Polemicist @JackPedigo
"the practice of meat eating has been clearly and scientifically shown to be extremely harmful for the system."
So has breathing, as oxygen is a proven corrosive poison, but I'm not giving that up either.
The world is killing us from the moment we are born, it is a very hostile environment, we just have to make choices that allow each of to live through it for as long as we can or want to, in the way we choose to feel is best and most ethical for ourselves.

@LenHazell53 "...extremely harmful to the system" Correct, but the 'system' is the planet and the inhabitants on it not just stupid human bodies. Yes, clearly and scientifically shown the reason the world is killing us (and thousands of other life forms) is because of our behavior. I am not guilt free but at least I try and learn and reduce my being a part of the problem. With breathing one has no control but what one eats one does have control.

@JackPedigo
Eating is not a choice, same as breathing, choosing what you eat is possible in times of plenty, but choosing not to eat is the same as choosing not to breathe, both will kill you..
Being consumed by parasitic fungi, pathogens animals and plants is nothing to do with our behavior, it is a fact of nature, destroying our own environment is supplemental to the natural order of things.

I think you mean the large scale production of meat is harmful. Then again, basically anything we do to produce food harms the eco-system. Carnivores have been around since before animals left the water to eat plants other than plankton.

@LenHazell53 More use of semantics for the purpose of confusion. What we eat IS a choice and in the world of the 21st century one absolutely does not need to eat meat of any kind. Billions of people through the ages have proven that fact. Also, a fact is that it takes far more resources and energy to produce meat. We could probably feed the present population of people without GMO's if everyone ate a plant based diet. Everyday more information is put out concerning the benefits of a plant based diet. A friend here is from England and there, there are even more choices for no meat foods.[peoplespharmacy.com]

@RonWilliam53 So does this fact make it acceptable for humans to continue on the path many have decided to stay? For some, evidence and reason based habits are to be ignored.

@JackPedigo I am simply advocating for choice, personally I eat very little meat, mainly fish and poultry, but I don't deride those who, or those who abstain.
I find many born again vegans and vegetarians for a time at least become a total pain in the arse lording their righteousness over those who have not followed them in to the granary. They remind me of ex-smokers who flap their hands like maidens in distress and cough overly enthusiastically and loudly at anyone who so much as takes a lighter out of their pocket.
Your choices are your choices and the consequence of those choices are there for you to accept blame or praise for, but virtue signaling and preaching will only make others say fuck you pal and eat a Big Mac and chicken fries right in front of you, just to piss you off.

@LenHazell53 By all the posts I saw nothing concerning choice, except to say things are not a choice. To me it sounded as if we are automatons and do as we are programmed.

So now it's okay to smoke and pollute other people's air. Of course there's no such thing as 2nd hand smoke. There are personal, societal, and environmental consequences to many things we do. In this age of hyper-overpopulation, more and more, what we do affects others. I would say those being affected have a right to speak out. It is said one's right to swing their arms end where another nose begins. To me, that means I have a right to protect my nose and the rest of my body. So whose right tRumps another's?

Of course the old ploy of, do the opposite of what others say because one is tired of hearing it. Unfortunately that often harms the one doing the opposite. My uncle smoked for some 50+ years. His health started to deteriorate and his doctor told him simply he could not help as my uncles smoking would kill him sooner than later. He went home and threw away all his cigarettes. He also became a big preacher to get others to stop smoking. Sometimes people learn from their mistakes. Unfortunately, very few others learn from anothers mistakes and are doomed to make them themselves.

@JackPedigo I think the facts that a nice medium rare steak and crispy bacon are delicious are reasons enough. As well as the desire not to see cows, chickens sheep and pigs made extinct.

@RonWilliam53 I see, sensuality before morality. Considering how many have to live they might prefer going extinct.

If you'll cast your mind back, you didn't swallow.

@Polemicistical hahahahahahahaha

@Polemicistical oh yes I did!

@Polemicist I think maybe you've been doing it wrong.

@LenHazell53 Not according to my victims.

The only people who are wrong are those who tell people they are wrong for what they eat.

@RonWilliam53 Nah...there are lots of people who are wrong.

I shall tell my imaginary friend that he's silly to have asked these questions.

If profit is the motive then should he be told to ease up.

Absurdity, here? We could grow food from cells deceased from natural causes.

@Polemicistical so cannibalism just one step removed? Shades of the Donner party or rugby players.

A table for two sir?

What about those cyanobacteria pumping their filthy waste gas into the atmosphere inadvertently causing many of the problems today.

@Polemicistical The evil creatures ingested another organism and forced it into slavery inside their bodies.
Without them the planet would be wonderfully devoid of huge human populations.

Good point on global welfare, and the moral issue of how we treat other species while we are eating them is food for thought.

I agree with your first paragraph and have heard about the 2nd one. A UC Davis professor who once claimed that vegetarianism/veganism was immoral, also stated that only the rich could afford some type of foods BUT the type of foods he claimed were yuppified, were organic not meat.

When I was living in Heidelberg my first Thanksgiving I had a full American style dinner and invited many of the neighbor University students. One young woman had a lot of meat at the meal and then went outside and fainted. It seems she, and many other students went on a vegetarian diet as meat was expensive. The sudden intake of meat was too much for her body and she fainted (and a funny story followed). Point is, meat is usually the more expensive item in any supermarket. One can (and I do) get by on spending a lot less by eliminating meat from our diets. On the contrary, a diet full of meat is the luxury. Look at countries, as China, that now have a surfeit of money to spend on food. Their consumption of meat products rise. The increasing lack of food is a population/resource issue which, in my mind, is the highest immoral issue of all.

Without refrigeration, you are going to eat him Fast!

@AnneWimsey You cut him into strips and hang them in the bushes to dry.

@Fernapple yeah, and get extra protein from all the fly slobber covering him.....no thanks!

Luckily being reasonably buoyant, @AnneWimsey rode me through the surf to the shore of the coral cay. We kept the body in the water for bait and fashioned a net from a red singlet. I enjoyed eviscerating the corpse and obtaining bone and sinew for fishing.

Your points about other animals and vegetables are valid and have been tabled for consideration at our next banquet.

@AnneWimsey Use the sun to evaporate the saltwater and salt the guy with the residue.

@AnneWimsey I have noticed a slug or two as well as numerous bugs in my garden. They did have bibs,though

@RonWilliam53 I thought of combining salt and drying, but thought it may prove a bit technically demanding, you could perhaps also use light smoking, by burning some of the more common inedible bushes, and the smoke keeps the flies off while you do it. All that smoked meat is not that healthy, but we are talking a survival diet here.

@RonWilliam53 do you have any idea how long it takes to evaporate saltwater vs. how long it takes a body to putrefy? You better hope you can find some roots & berries!

Is the one edible plant fava beans?

@LenHazell53 No flava bean is the most inedible of all plants, only ever served to vegans. Look what happened tp Pythagoras.

Yes, I can dance around the subject.

@Polemicistical
We all eat each other on this planet. That’s what we do here. Life can’t exist without consuming other life. Plants are life too. Choosing to live (over starving to death) is not a moral failing. Thanks for the dance.

@skado I stepped closer, you took my arm and we danced without a care in the world for ethics.

@Polemicistical
With your remaining arm draw me a picture of the ethical implications of a lion eating a man.

@skado

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