David was the president of American Atheists until very recently but accusations that were made sometime around the National Convention that was just held in Oklahoma over Easter weekend he was dismissed after a seemingly very short investigation.
I have heard what I consider to be more rumor than fact of the accusations and personally feel he is a fatality of the "Me Too" movement.
After the likes of Cosby and Weinstein, who I consider monsters of predatory behavior, there have been many who have been less predatory and more having just been saduced by the attention their posistion gave them that they went way over the line to those who have had the occational misshap from not reading the situation correctly to those who have had a single incident of varying degrees of inappropriate behavior.
Having been, more than once, on the recieving end of unwanted advances, I have sympathy for both sides, but there are two sides, there are always two sides.
People like David are becoming casualties of the "Me Too" movent that seems to be instagating more accusations than seem warranted out of what seems to be a sence of solidarity.
People like Lawrence Krauss that I have actually known, not at all well but enough to see how he socializes, for a few years. I found the accusations made against him to be very beleivable though blown out of proportion.
Men of high standing, or at least popular standing, have always attracted far more attention which is something that can easily be misread. And I think truly dispicable people like Cosby and Weinstein are bringing attention to many who should and need to be called out, but are also causing great damage by the overreactions of the organizations they are associated with.
Should Al Franken stepped down?
Should Kevin Spacy been cut out of a movie he'd already completed?
Should Louie CK had every project he was working on cut?
Yes these men went way over the line and they should be held accountable but is trying to destroy their lives the appropriate response? For the likes of Cosby and Weinstein I say yes, but for these others there should be an appropriate response to their actions rather than the public hangings they have been given. Some level of understanding of how they came to believe their actions were not the violations they were, and some level of realization that the other people involved were not the purely innocent victims, every story has two side and they are never black and white.
I think David Silverman is the lates victim of the "Me Too" movement, and I don't use the word victim lightly. I do not know the whole story, I don't know that I really know any of the story. But I think the response by the American Atheist organization was a complete overreaction and in no way was any kind of due process served. I think he was railroaded by an organization that just wanted to cover it's own ass by distancing itself as quickly as possible any possible fallout that my befall Mr. Silverman only becuase he was in a position of not just great authority but of incredible visability as he was a dynamic and controvercial voice for the AA.
I hate to see how he is being treated. I agreed completely when they suspended him of his position for what was supposed to be an investigation but I think their knee-jerk response is cuting their nose off dispite their face and will do more harm to both them and Mr. Silverman.
But I am curious, who knows abnout the situation and what do you think about it AND the "Me Too" movement.
So I just got reprimanded by Matt Dillahunty who, unbeknown to me is on the board of American Atheists. He says I don't know what the fuck I am talking about and that I sound like an idiot,
I don't know about you but it seems I've touch a nerve.
To get what I would call a huge over reaction from a board member of an organization that I was calling out for having a huge over reaction just seems like civil discorse is dead.
Such is life, I've been wrong before and I will be wrong again, it's a good thing having an opinon is a crime punishable by the internet.
Wow! I can’t believe the comments I just read. Not here. Not by people I consider smarter and better than most. Do you really think that the board would have fired him so quickly without valid reason? They have access to much more information than we do or ever will. It doesn’t matter what you “think”. Jesus fucking Christ.
No Vote, not taking sides. But you can not have it both ways. I can only be sure that I never been part of the "me too movement casualty roster", active or inactive. Not when I was popular in High School and College, not when my rank, station and position in Military may had given me the opportunity. So I sleep as a baby at my old age. May I had ever play the "Seducer" part? All my life, I was and still consider me a "Hunter" but I always hunted by my own merits on an equal field because that is the only "kill" worth anything for the "Honest Hunter"... I had not even gotten a lady drunk in my 64 years on this earth... I may be "Rare"... but I sleep like a Baby and Proud of my "Prizes". I, an Atheist since childhood, never organized or follower of heroes oe demi-gods.
This is why I do not join movements. I have seen what began as an honorable cause become a mob of users. Those that would join a bandwagon just to effect vengance. A wounded alpha being set upon by the group. Lord of the Flies. Animal Farm. The rush to judgement. Mob rule. Ugly. Thusly a loner I am.
My advice, don't believe everything you hear. Take accusations serious, but with caution. Don't jump to conclusions. Also, be extremely careful...Just because one person thinks it's OK doesn't mean everyone will. For example I have a friend who's son ended up with a traumatic brain injury from a motorcycle accident. Recently he got in a habit of kissing the hand of women when he met them...while some thought it was cute and endearing, another one was deeply offended and threated to call the cops.
This is an extremely interesting conversation that we should be having in this country. Certainly the accusations against Krause have tainted my opinion of him, whether deserves or not. I do not know much about Silverman but will be reading about that. At some level, we know nothing about the true character of people who become “celebrities” or leaders of one sort or another. If someone is talented and they use their talents for the good of others but their personal behavior is hurtful to others (or themselves) should they be denied the ability to continue contributing to society? If they use their position or power to suppress or abuse others, how do we distinguish between that an misinterpretations of interactions? Many questions to be considered around these recent events.