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I am totally aghast and gobstopped today.

I happened upon a unique opportunity to listen to some relatives and other people I once knew, speak about their lives in the past. I've known these people most of their lives.

What they related as "personal experience" and "factual history" was completely and totally fabricated, almost always portraying themselves as a "victim" or "moralistic hero" figure.

It was all fabricated!!! In most cases, they didn't know I was "listening" or didn't care, but I WAS THERE!! I KNOW this is BS!!

However, I also know there isn't anything to be done about it and no way to "set the record straight". Well, there probably IS some way to do it, but I also have little motivation to do so.

This leaves me distressed, dismayed and depressed. I really KNOW these people, and now, I wish I didn't.

NOW I am suspicious of any "personal history" stories I hear. It's hard to know which persons I can believe are really who they say they are. And the people I do know seem to be inclined to pretend they are someone else.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life "debunking" this crap. I'd rather avoid those that spew such drivel, but other than the people I've known forever, I have few clues how to separate the "real people" from the "pretenders".

The more I know about people, the better I like my dogs. They certainly have fewer pretenses.

Ideas, comments, helpful suggestions ..... before I seek a life of solitude .... or immersed in dogs??

Normanbites 7 July 28

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Unlike exaggeration or embellishment, or even denial, this is seems beyond just " taking it all with a grain of salt." It is the character, the core of these people, that will force of reckoning for you.

twill Level 7 July 29, 2021

Your experience reinforces my reasons for the plans I have made with my two closest friends regarding my memorial service after my death. I am all too aware of how common it is for people to take advantage of the situation following someone's death to put out a lot of self-serving, phony baloney stuff at the memorial service or on online obituary sites, where they revise history to pretend like they were chummy or admiring of the dead when the reality is that they were despised by and estranged from the dead person. While I know there is no way to prevent someone from trying to do this with online obituary pages, the people I trust, along with the funeral home, can easily remove these kind of condolence notes once they are spotted. As far as the memorial service, I am particularly concerned that my siblings, who I am estranged from and have little contact with, might try to use an open sharing period in my memorial service to revise history or pretend to have been supportive or caring for me during my life, when that is anything but the reality. So my trusted friends will only have the people I have designated be allowed to speak at my memorial service. It's sad that people cannot be honorable and honest even after death, but I will do what I can before I die to prevent this kind of BS around my death.


My mother did the best she could do. Her side of the family was smart and supportive, my fathers side abusive and alcoholic, they divorced when I was five and my father did work far away. When he showed up things were great, but then we were together for only a week or two a year. The last time I saw him was in 1970. My mother continued to support my brother and I, she loved to sew so she made me shirts until she passed about ten years ago. I miss my mother I do not care about my dad. I do not remember anything before my fifth birthday, I was told that was a good thing.

I can relate. A lot of us came from terrible family situations. It's sad that most Americans are not comfortable with us sharing these kinds of truths with them, as they often react to it by blaming us as being defective or dysfunctional rather than see us as brave and strong to speak our truths. As a result of this, most Americans seem to engage in a group mentality of pretending that all of our families of origin are ideal and happy. It's kind of like the common agreement among white people to deny racism and our history of slavery. Most of us fall into line and abide by it because we don't want to be ostracized or seen as emotionally unstable or mentally ill by bringing up the negative.


Even when there's no possible gain of prestige or wealth a group of people all seeing the same event will describe it differently.

I think the majority of people tried to put their own actions in the most favorable light. I know I do despite the fact that I can't stand liars. I'm only human and it's not unheard of for me to fudge a little bit. Or at least leave something out.

I can tolerate some distortion of the truth for the sake of "saving face". I can see that as a human foible.

Heck, even dogs will pretend they don't know who "left a loaf" in the living room even though there is only one dog in the house. But in their defense, I'll say an obvious lie is not really a lie. One time I flapped my arms and flew to the moon and back ..... CWutIMeen?

These stories went well beyond that, not related to reality at all, by any stretch of the imagination, yet not obvious enough (in most cases) to be exempt on the "obvious lie" basis.


When I was six my Father beat me with a belt for a half an hour while I was naked for telling a lie in an attempt to not get in trouble, you can kind of see why I didn't want to get in trouble I think.
That was 1965, he hurt me so bad I'm still hurting today at 62.
Imagine how it felt when I went to work with him after I got out of the Navy on the oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. He was a cook and I was a galley hand.
Dad would talk to the other people working on the rig and it was just one lie after another.
I couldn't lie that much if I tried.
Dad was a conservative and a Luddite, and he never knew what a Luddite was, they never do, which means he was an alien species to me.
Thankfully the old bastard died in 2001 of colon cancer and I think he got off too light.

I also did a poor job of "choosing" my parents. I don't often talk about it much any more. I've come to realize the number of people that DONT SURVIVE their parents and I now think that is some (small) reason to be grateful for the idiot parents I did have. I am also grateful for realizing I did not have a good model for parenting and deciding NOT to subject a child to my "learning" process.

I'm sorry for what you went through. I'm glad you survived. Unfortunately for you, I think that also means you would also "feel" my outrage if you heard a story that sounded like yours, but KNOWING it was a complete fabrication, not a distortion, a total LIE!!!

So, what is your opinion, is my outrage misplaced??

@Normanbites No, I can relate entirely. Everything the lying brutal old fuck said was a total lie.


Ok, you asked for suggestions... so please accept this in the spirit of helpfulness with which it is intended.

No one escapes human nature; not me, not you, not them. I am certain they are as completely unaware of their narrative distortions as you and I are of our own. H.sapiens is a creature that lives, most directly, in a protective encasement of narrative. Its function is not to align with objective reality, but to provide an interface between ego and harsh reality. If those folks were to hear your narrative - your very most sincere and heartfelt “truth” - they would no doubt be just as aghast. None of us knows reality. We know the bits of reality and the bits of fabrication that our egos can tolerate.

“Oh but mine is true!”

No. It isn’t. Nobody’s is true.

Everybody thinks theirs is true.

skado Level 9 July 28, 2021

No, I get that. Some DISTORTION, even embellishment is to be expected and even accepted. Yes, even I do that.... even when I don't like to admit it.

But these were total and complete FABRICATIONS.

I've been looking for a passion to follow in my later years. The concept of STOLEN VALOR might well be a calling.

I DO have a tolerance for human foibles. But out right liars for the sake of inflated ego or notoriety .... that I find very hard to tolerate. I think I am just expressing shock and dismay at the frequency it happens to that extent.

Yep, some certainly do take it to outrageous extremes. We would all be better off with less of that, for sure.

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