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What the hell is wrong with women -

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There’s a passage in the Bible about Jesus washing the feet of a prostitute as a display of humility. What if this was interpreted early in the development of religions as a pillar of faith? A commandment? Dogmatic requirement for eternal salvation? What would the world look like today? Just for fun.😀

Women? 🧐

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Garban 8 Feb 14
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The story is backwards--the woman washed the feet of Jesus (unless there is another incident of feet washing--let me know if there is).

Luke 7:36-50

A Woman Washes Jesus’ Feet

36 One of the Pharisees ·asked [invited] Jesus to eat with him, so Jesus went into the Pharisee’s house and ·sat at the table [L reclined; C at a formal meal guests would recline at a low table with their feet stretched out behind them]. 37 [L And look/T behold] A ·sinful [immoral] woman in the town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house. So she brought an alabaster ·jar [vial; flask] of perfume 38 and stood behind Jesus at his feet, ·crying [weeping]. She began to ·wash [wet; drench] his feet with her tears, and she ·dried [wiped] them with her hair, kissing them many times and ·rubbing [anointing] them with the perfume. 39 When the Pharisee who asked Jesus to come to his house saw this, he thought to himself, “If ·Jesus [L this person] were a prophet, he would know ·that the woman touching him is a sinner [L who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner]!”

40 Jesus said to ·the Pharisee [L him], “Simon, I have something to say to you.”

Simon said, “Teacher, tell me.”

41 Jesus said, “Two people owed money to ·the same banker [L a certain moneylender/creditor]. One owed five hundred ·coins [L denarii; C a denarius was equal to a day’s wage for a laborer] and the other owed fifty. 42 They had no money to pay what they owed, but ·the banker [L he] ·told both of them they did not have to pay him [L forgave both (debts)]. Which person [L therefore] will love ·the banker [L him] more?”

43 Simon answered, “I ·think [suppose] it would be the one ·who owed him the most money [L for whom he forgave the larger].”

Jesus said to Simon, “You are right.” 44 Then Jesus turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? When I came into your house, you gave me no water for my feet, but she ·washed [wet; drenched] my feet with her tears and ·dried [wiped] them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss of greeting, but she has ·been [not stopped] kissing my feet since I came in. 46 You did not ·put oil on [anoint] my head, but she ·poured perfume on my feet [has anointed my feet with perfume]. 47 [L Therefore] I tell you that her many sins are forgiven, ·so [that is why] she showed great love. But the person who is forgiven only a little will love only a little.”

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The people ·sitting at the table [L reclining together; 7:36] began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Jesus said to the woman, “·Because you believed, you are saved from your sins [L Your faith has saved you]. Go in peace.”

You are correct. Jesus cleaned the feet of his disciples and cleansed a leper in defiance of levitican law. It’s been 39 years since bible school. Damned shame, I like my myth better. Does my question, even though based on an invalid premise, still stand?

@Garban There is evidence that women were rather prominent in the early church. Even though Paul purportedly said (and I say "purportedly" as Christian Scriptures were translated as "needed" ) that women should not teach men, Priscilla taught taught Apollos. (The link below is Wikipedia, but good for a quick reference.) Likewise, the Gospel of Mary M. shows her status. She is also featured in one of the Ng Hammadi texts, but I don't remember which one.

Any status that women did have, though, was downplayed and down away with when Xtianity began to grow.

However, I don't see women being any more virtuous/honest than are men. I think that religions would still dominate and control. I also think that IF Xtianity had stuck to the principles that Jesus originally espoused, it would not be what it is today, but there is no way to test my claim.

[en.wikipedia.org].

[gnosis.org]

@Gwendolyn2018 I agree that women did have a more prominent role in the very early church. I don’t think any of the gnostic gospels were ever considered for canonization, because of the elevation of women. I can’t remember the name of the woman, or the heretical book, that traveled with Paul in Asia minor. She refused marriage with a rich man and was fed to the lions, but the lionesses defended her. There were other attempts to kill her but the god protected her. Finally a gladiator was sent to kill her, but he lost heart and couldn’t, so she took the sword from him and did it herself! I wish I could find the text to share but to no avail, so some of what I’ve stated here maybe an amalgamation. I love these stories because I’m a history dork. I would like to see all our biblical traditions and myths taught in the same way we teach Zeus, Apollo, Santa Clause, and the 3 little pigs as entertaining fiction.

@Garban I am not familiar with the tale of the woman who traveled with Paul but I did some poking around and it seems to have been Thecla:

[en.wikipedia.org]

Myth is a huge passion of mine and I used to teach it on a community college and university level. I did teach archetypal Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as myth, i.e. the creation, the flood, and the dying/resurrecting god. Some students dropped the class because of this.

I'm also a feminist critic and examine literature in light of how women are portrayed and tend how women writers were perceived. "Were" because other than V. Woolf, I've not analyzed modern writers.

You might be interested in this video on female disciples of Jesus:

@Gwendolyn2018 your profile eludes you don’t like drawn out crap so I’ll make this brief.
Thecla! Thank you!
I love the concept of the 12 disciples being Mary M’s “kept men”, how humiliating!
But my favorite is Thecla’s brave warrior defiance! That was one tough bitch! 😤 That’s a story you DON’T want getting traction in the Roman patriarchy!

@Garban I don't want long drawn out private messages that corner me one-on-one. I don't mind reading longer posts IF they are clear and easy to read.

I Googled "Paul and Priscilla and women teachers" and it finally led me to Thecla--and other women. 🙂

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In this modern age, is not equality with men the only thing we can possibly hope for?

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