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What do you think?

Every thing we hear is an opinion, not a fact.

Every thing we see is a perspective, not the truth.

Marcus Aurelius

By Arasmuson
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That does it, I'm not going too think anymore.

Whathappensnow Level 6 Dec 7, 2017

life will be simpler


No, don't agree.

A fact is something that remains in evidence, whether or not one chooses to acknowledge it.

Same for truth. A truth will stand solid regardless of anyone's perspective.

The Earth is flat - right ?

evergreen Level 8 Dec 7, 2017

Ummm? That's what my maps show! Yeah...

The only thing flat-earthers fear is sphere itself! smile001.gif

David Hume State's we can never know anything for certain.


Yes its a good quote.

The world is not what we think it is. We are being tricked in a way into seeing the world through a very narrow perspective,one in which our 5 senses play a major role. We could just exist in that world and be perfeclty functioning human beings,but my view is thatw e are able to see above and past that .It may be only a glimse at something but I feel it is there, even science has found this out.

VinceRichardson Level 6 Dec 7, 2017

That is so cool. I almost understood it!

Great video, I actually read some papers on this. I can't find it but there is an awesome video of the actual experiment.


I suspect that was meant in terms of various social interactions (news, politics, and so forth), but it's true in other ways as well. Absolute proof isn't possible. History is somewhat subjective. Our experience takes place entirely inside our mind after it translates raw input (which we cannot verify). We make that first assumption that we can understand out environment; without that starting point, we couldn't function. Regarding the softer sciences, e.g., sociology and economics, there's far less confidence and much more speculation, and I think it becomes easier to see how Marcus Aurelius's statement is true.

resserts Level 8 Dec 7, 2017

Boy I wish the FAKE NEWS being perpetuated by Fox News could be exposed with these theories. They are attacking Mueller and his team as using all Democrats to get trump out of office. They have OPINIONS not FACTS. They have their own PERSPECTIVE not the truth.

sassygirl3869 Level 9 Dec 7, 2017

What a load of cow dung!

Mind you, he existed before the advent of the Scientific Method.

irascible Level 8 Dec 7, 2017

Yeppers. Applies to Marcus' opinion as well. smile001.gif

skado Level 8 Dec 7, 2017

"Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion." Democritus


Ignostic_Skeptic Level 7 Dec 7, 2017

It is true that some opinions are not based of facts and some perspectives are misperceived
The thinking person's job is to find the facts and truth; making opinion wisdom & perspective reality.

mzee Level 6 Dec 7, 2017

Even Neil deGrasse will tell you we cannot know anything for certain.


No, I think there is an objective reality. It isn't always clear and we don't always see it correctly but it exists and is external to our mental state.

marmot84 Level 7 Dec 7, 2017

Not exactly. Some things we hear are opinions. Some are accurate representations of facts. Your statements are a bit too cutely packaged to be accurate.

wordywalt Level 8 Dec 7, 2017

Not true look up Rashomon effect.


I disagree. I think there is truth. We recognize truth when we see/hear/think/ feel it. This sense of truth is why some of us are here on this forum questioning everything.

Eponymous Level 5 Dec 7, 2017

Hear....noise in a way. Just got to tune things out. Take what you need and leave the rest.

See.... illusion. Here today, gone tomorrow. I told my dad when he was fixing to pass on. Dad, its just stuff. Don't worry about it. He loved to count invisible coins.

BucketlistBob Level 8 Dec 7, 2017

everything we hear is noise and everything we see is real. an opinion is a belief as is perspective.

LeighShelton Level 8 Dec 7, 2017

Can an opinion also be a fact?
Or once it is known to be a fact - it's a fact and no longer an opinion?

MrLizard Level 8 Dec 7, 2017



Was he one of those, watchmacallems, Sophists?

Usually people say this kind of shit to get away with thinking or doing whatever dumb shit they want to do. It's like, "...Yeah, but do you want pineapple on your pizza or not?"

FuckReligion Level 6 Dec 7, 2017

@FuckReligion he was a stoic. His writings were about doing the right thing. Accepting the situation you are in and much more.


In a sense, the only absolute facts are tautologies, but I prefer adjust my understanding of fact and truth than to abandon the concepts altogether. For example when I have taught chemistry students about the electrostatic repulsion of electron clouds by the exchange of virtual photons when when they press their finger down on the benchtop, one will at a ask "So I'm not really touching the table?". I tell them they are touching the table and that they now have a trust understanding of what that means. Our understandings of "truth" and "fact" can be similarly tweaked.

camarks1964 Level 4 Jan 3, 2018
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