seems to make sense, perhaps that is what this political/ military/ media event is really all about?
A sort of WWIII?
If your comment is correct, then when war rages, you can run and hide, but a limited military but global economic war where can you hide? We still have to rely on supplies and trade.

@Kurtn

Was speaking if a family was living in Ukraine.
Very few people are prepared for what is to come. We live in a free trade community of tiny houses and urban farming. After a few years of abuse, WEF and old Elites will die off, The smart one will thrive again and the compliance slaves will continue. World war 1 and 2 are simular examples.

Erudite as ever Len.

The Ukrainian people yes, the Ukraine as a political entity is a different kettle of fish.

And the Russian ethnics are happy to stay with Russia.

@FrayedBear I can't speak for that many people, Bear. I might tell you that people in my community are all hicks but we both know that I do not and cannot know these 1200 people. Been here since 2006 and I know maybe 30 people tops.

@DenoPenno I thought that you lived in America not Donetsk?

@FrayedBear I am American but I am talking of knowing people in my community. My reply is in answer to statements that people in the Ukraine all want to be Russian. This is a generalization that cannot be known. You therefore cannot speak for all of these people.

@DenoPenno they apparently have spoken & no longer wish to be part of Ukraine & subjected to ukrainian genocide. They rather prefer to be part of Russia.

Whatever the real truth behind the war, we will argue and speculate, but never be a party to the truth of the matter.
Maybe if Putin could be convinced to go the way of Rusputin things would improve, although I doubt it some other despot will step into his boots and carry on.

@Kurtn What real truth of the war? Maybe you think it is all about Nazis.

Putin did not see that Zelensky was extremely intelligent. Putin thought a quick attack on Kyiiv and he would be able to install a puppet president. He seriously miscalculated both the Ukranians and president Zelensky.
Remember, Putin is himself beholden to Russia's oligarchs.

@Petter "Putin is himself beholden to Russia's oligarchs." - you have proof of that or merely US wishful thinking?

Anyone with the backing of US universities, think tanks, Pentagon elite, media & rapacious armaments industry is going to appear intelligent - even you & I Petter!

@DenoPenno I could not give a rats tail about he Nazis, Neo liberals nor communists, I am wondering what the real truth is behind the war. The truth, which we will never know, would be much stranger than the fiction we are fed from both the East and West media/ political propaganda machines.
I firmly believe all parties are moving Whole shipping container terminals, loads of bullshit to us the population.
General observation:- How can we give an opinion when the basis/ foundation of our opinion is based on lies, falsehoods and far removed from reality?
I am interested in the act not the actors.

@DenoPenno, @Petter Just a statistical fact, Actors and Comedians have proven in the past that they are of average intelligence. Not one that I have been able to find that had an exceptional IQ.

@FrayedBear Yes. Try looking back at old news footage from 1990 onwards.

@Petter I didn't know that you or I were on the news in 1990's!

@FrayedBear, @Kurtn What sort of comedian are you talking about?
The ones who merely swear and shout are not comedians. True comedians have to be able to think fast, on their feet.

@Petter Z is a clown reading from a script prepared by the US. And when he misreads his lines Biden is always there to prompt him.

@FrayedBear Any proof for this wild statement? You sound like Alex Jones.

@Petter no proof whatsoever Petter. But "wild" or simply calculated & embarrassing for you to accept?
Who is Alex Jones? I once knew a Stuart but he became an air traffic controller.

@FrayedBear [en.m.wikipedia.org]
This Alex Jones.

@Petter Thanks. I wouldn't know of him or recognise him if I collided with him in the street and if I did know him I certainly wouldn't cross the street to piss on him if he was on fire. Or Hilary Clinton, Trump and Biden.

@FrayedBear I've tagged you in another post involving him.

@Petter lol, your link is just above in this post. I apologise for not thanking you for taking the effort to educate me. I read the Wikipedia article - it went in my eyes & out into my "don't waste my time cluttering my memory with such trivia. And considering that many of you think that I a left of Stalin communist I find it it hilarious that you compare me to him.

@FrayedBear Stalin was not a leftist. He was a despot. Marx and Lenin were leftist and it got them nowhere personally. But they sure were useful to the careers of power hungry, populist politicians.

Ah & so your daddy was a member of the third Reich & blind supporter of naziism was he Walt? Or just cognititively challenged like you?