No..I think Sweden Norway and Denmark..are more aspirationally closer...but no state has yet to achieve this standard yet....here's hoping! ??

No..I think Sweden Norway and Denmark..are more aspirationally closer...but no state has yet to achieve this standard yet....here's hoping! ??

@Hitchens I have friends who live in Sweden. I'll move there too. I'd move anywhere to get out of the US

@AncientNight It sounds promising, if it's going to be a utopian paradise, there is no harm in it looking like one too. I wouldnt choose one thats too small though..as there may be quite a lot of would be citizens. ??

@helionoftroy Don't go packing your bags just yet...things may improve after Mr Trump is removed.

@helionoftroy Don't go packing your bags just yet...things may improve after Mr Trump is removed.

@AncientNight Ha Ha..Lol..
That sounds like it would be a riot..!!....
More like headanism than Athiesm! ????

Certainly the best response to that question that I hadn't even considered. My complements to you. I suppose some things are worth fighting for...even today. Thank you.

I'm taken aback about how many respondents main concern was the climate! It's hilarious.??? Especially the ladies...they must be thinking..hmm utopian paradise sounds amazing but what should I wear? And will I need heels and or hiking boots..hmm decisions..decisions??

I'm taken aback about how many respondents main concern was the climate! It's hilarious.??? Especially the ladies...they must be thinking..hmm utopian paradise sounds amazing but what should I wear? And will I need heels and or hiking boots..hmm decisions..decisions??

@Hitchens, I need more than just this atheist Utopia (which sounds like it could get boring), and Sunshine makes me feel good. So I would be less likely to make the move if it were someplace that rarely had sunny days.

@BeeHappy ok I'll make a few calls and see what I can do...no promises though. ??????

@Hitchens Much appreciated!!

@BeeHappy Well I'm here for the community, and I really want you to Bee Happy.

@Hitchens Really, you are too kind! Or... are you just trying to build up the population of your new utopia?

My thoughts exactly.

Is the guillotine for removing the head or genitalia of these offenders? It may be less messy to deport these undesirables....

@Hitchens singing "free" ( their) minds, and the rest will follow.........

"Live and let live, but shoot the gremlins."

@AnneWimsey build it....and they will come! (Field of Dreams) ??

@AnneWimsey, @KCBear
Come with me and you'll see,..its a world of pure imagination. ????? Umpa Lumpas welcome..Gremlins will not be admitted.

Again I commend this as a valid answer. Its couragous and optimistic. If everybody felt this way the world would definately be a better place. ?

I haven't founded it yet, because I am still building my shed..and there is so much paperwork and red tape involved in setting up a new Utopian state. But as the founder and benelovent dictator..I will require various ministers to help me administrate this new state . I'll be in touch...oh yes and I will need two references.

@Hitchens Fabulous! I will dust off my resume and references. Let me know! ?

??? great, there maybe some light housework and typing required. Also some experience governing a country would be a distinct advantage.

@Hitchens lets see what I can come up with for equivalent to running a county ???

Bears are Catholic and the Pope does shit in the woods, ..But no.. That's the only catch Patchoulli Julie, it doesn't exist, but wouldnt it be a wonderful place to live and die in.. Complete with pain free Euthanasia for those that choose it.

@Hitchens Oh...be still my beating heart! lol

@patchoullijulie ????

It's interesting that if you offered people that cry out for secular and progressive values the opportunity to live in a state that promotes all the values they aspire to.....many still would prefer to stay in their own countries...
I may have to give all this land back now....

We could politely refuse entry to religious groups...and those that clandestinely gain entry or those that attempt to set up cults etc could be either be deported or jailed and brutally tortured.

It's exactly the way you like it, or you get a full refund no quibble. ???

You wouldn't lose Sovereignty Creativeyou actually you would inherit complete sovereignty over your own freedom and liberty and be a citizen of a Free State. It would be a place where there are no b.s. religions or politics hiding behind religion..a place where citizenship is truly valued like shares in the best company on the stock market...where you ate valued. Not a cult..not b.s. scientology..not a tribal thing..not flower power..not free love (unless you feel the need) just a place where the complications of Religion are removed and humanity comes first . We would have no need for war or racism etc our only battles would be against ignorance and cancer all the other good fights. Maybe some day who knows?

@Hitchens Oh I looked it up and we are both right depending on which definition is being used.
This is what I thought it meant: a legally recognized subject or national of a state or commonwealth, either native or naturalized.
One cannot be sovereign and subject to a nation or state. The minute we become "subjects" we are no longer sovereign but it also just means member of a community but to me it implies subjugation. (Thanks for helping me add to my mental dictionary.)

@CreativelyMe excellent...Im so glad we cleared that up...I feel sure this hypothetical community would not want to subjugate you. ?

Hi Red, did you find any area that came close to your criteria?

@Hitchens Still looking and brushing up on what little Spanish I know. Thinking of a higher elevation somewhere in Central or South America, but there seems to be political instability in most places I think might be interestng. But we also have political instability in the good ol USA, thanks to rabid right religious freaks and white supremacy bigots. Seeking a place with a large enough population to have plentiful social/entertainment opportunities, but not a metropolis. Also not too far from a major airport or from a large lake or beach and some scenic areas
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@RedRiverRogue yea America appears to have lost it's way for sure. That is the dilemma isn't it...finding paradise is not too difficult...but finding the right place at the right time with the right location and the right climate with a stable government that has a tolerant and friendly populace that aren't always in imminent danger of starvation or slaughter. It's a tough one.

No ..it wouldn't be that way at all as I would envision it. You could believe anything you wanted without any judgement or prejudice of any description. Im not talking about a crazy cult like scientology or waco or anything negitive or destructive or anything that. Just imagine a place on a map where you would like to live, it might be where you live now if you like. Polution is outlawed, cruelty to children and animals is not tolerated, equality is promoted, there is no organised religion. People without agnostic or non humanist values and principles wouldnt populate the place anyway, in theory you would have to apply for citizenship i the first place.

@Hitchens Then in that case.....I am in!

John Lennon just popped into my head with imagine..?

What's boring about it? You can do everthing you can do now, and enjoy all the benifits of complete guilt free liberty!

@Hitchens Sounds like the atheist version of heaven, an idle but perhaps necessary compensation fantasy for some.

@cava Yes of course it's fantasy and would indeed be heaven. But in the future when you and I are dust particles..it might become a reality..too late for us, but an interesting aspiration to dream about nonetheless.

@cava Yes of course it's fantasy and would indeed be heaven. But in the future when you and I are dust particles..it might become a reality..too late for us, but an interesting aspiration to dream about nonetheless.