The bible does advocate the husband forcing his wife to drink a potion to cause a miscarriage if the believes the child isn't his. Sanctity of the child's life isn't considered as women and children were considered property of men to do with as they please in biblical times.

@snytiger6 This is also why it did not matter if Lot got back his original wife and children in the end. They were only property.

@DenoPenno Were you thinking of Lot or Job ... Lot's wife was supposedly turned to a pillar of salt because she looked back when they fled Sodom. Job's wife and children were all killed, by god but according to the story they were replaced.

A note about Lot's story. I think he lusted after his daughters, and killed his wife so he could have access to them. The story told that the daughters got him drunk to take advantage of him, so they could have children doesn't hold water. Studies have been done on drinking, and persons who drink even to black out states, were always aware, in the moment, of what they were doing and kept their sense of right and wrong. Those studies led to changes in drunk driving laws in the U.S., as people are fully aware of what they are doing, in the moment, while drunk, even if they may not or can't remember it later on. So, anyway, if the story were actually true, Lot would have known he was having sex with his daughters, and I suspect probably forced himself onto them. After all they were his own property.

And a woman. She should be ashamed of herself.

@pedigojr Not having shame is one of the observables that distinguish inhuman MAGAs. Tear off the latex shell and you'll find a reptilian underneath.

I have 'friends' who espouse the desire to vote for a third-party candidate. It's a perplexing topic because...

Against: The situation is too dire to spend one's vote on a candidate who had no chance to win. Democracy MUST prevail against Trump and his fascism.

For: It is my vote and I disapprove of Harris because she is not progressive enough. Voting is a basic freedom of expression. I worry that both parties cannot be trusted.

I go with the 'against' but I have sympathy for those that don't trust the system, feel it is (irrevocably?) corrupt.

It is the curious quality of cognition that we give priority to particular values, and these decisions depend on the perspective or filters that we choose to apply. In this case, for example, one may choose an environmental filter and say that Trump is too great a risk to the environment to vote 3rd party, as Buttigieg suggests.

Buttigieg is wonderfully intelligent and a pleasure to watch. I'd like to know more about his values. I hope he will continue to serve the country with his quality communication.

@racocn8 I talked to my younger daughter just this evening on what is at stake in this election and how she should vote and vote blue. The whole thing was a "no" and I'm not going to do it. She says she hears me and believes me but she just does not care. She claims not to care one way or the other and no discussions will change her mind. Dictator or president she don't care. She's pretty much been that way since my grandson was murdered a few years back. I will present facts but I will not argue.