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This is why we all need Real ID to setup MySocial Security today. April is a deadline month unless you already have direct deposit.

DenoPenno 9 Apr 11
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MY ID PROBLEM SOLVED. Just today I did get a letter from the Social Security Administration. I never believed this would happen but the letter said they were aware of my attempts to set up "MySocial Security" on April 1st and knew that I was not getting the A type number code to do so and they mailed me a number code. Worked like a charm and I was set up in less than 5 minutes.

Julie, I'm skeptical like you so here is what I would do. Try all of this again with "login.gov." This is truly a government site so once you have it there is no problem. You could keep or do away with ID.me. I have them both but feel better that my Social Security is on login.gov. There is room there to bring in all your personal sites if you like. VA and the IRS can be brought into login.gov also.

Hi Denno how are you? I haven't been able to make time to get on AU of late.
Perhaps you can use the following report back there. It has just come to light the day after I wrote, with considerable AI help a play \ poem that concludes with a penultimate closing verse of :

This isn’t theatre. This is how we rot—
A world consumed by voices long forgot,
By turning a blind eye to the Arab slaughter,
Thru Jewish hands of hate following rabbinic order.

The article that has just come to light is :

The Rabbis: How Religious Authorities Shape the Fate of Israel
أبريل 17, 2025 Reading Time: 9 mins read

In March 2024, the head of the “Shirat Moshe” religious school in Jaffa, Rabbi Eliyahu Mali, publicly called for the killing of all Gaza residents—men, women, and children—citing so-called “Jewish law” to justify his position. He described the war on Gaza as a “religious war” and demanded that no one be left alive in the besieged enclave.

This shocking decree, which Rabbi Mali claimed was rooted in Jewish jurisprudence, is only one among many issued by Israel’s rabbinate establishment—a religious institution with growing influence over the military, political, and legal life of the Zionist state. For over a century, Israel’s religious Zionist rabbis have quietly evolved into a powerful, ultra-nationalist force shaping national policy from behind the scenes.

So how did these religious authorities gain such power? And how have they manipulated secular Zionism to fulfil their own apocalyptic visions?

Religious Zionism Exploiting Secular Zionism
In the late 19th century, amidst rising persecution of Jews across Europe, a group of influential rabbis and religious thinkers emerged to promote a messianic vision: reclaiming Palestine as the “Promised Land.”

Among the most prominent was Rabbi Tzvi Hirsch Kalischer (1795–1874), a German Orthodox rabbi who predated even Theodor Herzl, founder of political Zionism. Kalischer framed Jewish immigration to Palestine not as a political strategy, but as a divine obligation—a sacred mission to fulfil God’s covenant.

Kalischer’s vision married religious messianism with pragmatic political activism. He and other rabbis, including Moshe Hess and thinkers from the “Lovers of Zion” movement (established in 1881), promoted militarised Jewish settlement in Palestine as a step toward messianic redemption. They rejected the idea of passively waiting for divine intervention and instead called for the creation of a Jewish state by force and strategy.

By 1898, this ideology had crystallised into a political movement when 14 rabbis joined a Zionist conference in Russia, forming the Mizrachi bloc, the first political party representing Religious Zionism. The movement called for active sovereignty in the Holy Land—breaking from Orthodox traditions that required the Messiah’s arrival before statehood.

Religious Zionism thus positioned itself as a middle path: balancing Torah-based theology with the colonial objectives of secular Zionists, using religious language to energise nationalist projects.

From Theology to Military Strategy
Leading this religious-nationalist shift was Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (1865–1935), often referred to as the spiritual father of Religious Zionism. He taught that secular Zionists, even unknowingly, were “divine instruments” fulfilling prophecy by colonising Palestine.

After Israel’s establishment in 1948, the Religious Zionist movement strategically entrenched itself in Israeli state structures:

 

The Chief Rabbinate
The Ministry of Religious Affairs
The IDF (Israel Defense Forces)—where every unit was assigned a dedicated rabbi
Although initially opposed to military service on religious grounds, Religious Zionists later issued new rulings—notably by Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Kook (son of Abraham Kook)—declaring military service a Torah obligation. This allowed religious study to be merged with military training in special yeshiva-army schools.

The 1967 war was a major turning point. Following the occupation of Jerusalem, Hebron, the West Bank, Sinai, and the Golan Heights, Rabbi Tzvi Kook declared the conquest a divine miracle, intensifying efforts to settle occupied Palestinian lands in fulfilment of religious prophecy.

The Rise of Religious Extremism in Settler Politics
After Israel’s 1973 military failures, Religious Zionist influence surged with the creation of Gush Emunim in 1974. This group, which aimed at the “redemption of Israel and the world,” became the backbone of the settler movement in the West Bank and Gaza. Backed by political figures like Ariel Sharon, and supported by the Likud government after 1977, Gush Emunim established illegal settlements near Palestinian towns.

Though Gush Emunim declined in the 1980s, more radical offshoots like Elad and Lehava emerged, continuing the settler-colonial project with messianic-nationalist ideology. These groups received legal, financial, and military support from the Israeli government, enabling them to expand Jewish-only housing across East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Key institutions such as the IDF Military Rabbinate, founded by Rabbi Shlomo Goren in 1948, actively justified military violence against Palestinians with religious decrees. Meanwhile, the influential Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva, founded by Rabbi Kook in 1924, became a hub for ideological settlers and post-1967 colonisation plans.

Rabbis as Political Kingmakers
British journalist Jonathan Cook observed that early Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion granted the Orthodox rabbinate massive authority over Israel’s personal status laws and public institutions. This power has only grown.

Today, yeshivas (religious schools) shape political and military leadership. Many of their graduates enter elite units like Sayeret Matkal, Egoz, and Shabak (Israel’s internal security agency), where Religious Zionists now comprise 60% of Shabak officers and 40% of combat commanders.

This dominance has led to a dangerous reality:

 

A Bar-Ilan University study revealed that 90% of religious soldiers would follow rabbinic orders over those of the Israeli government if the two conflicted.
Religious Law Over Civil Law
The Chief Rabbinate, founded in 1921 under British rule, continues to dominate Jewish identity laws in Israel. Converts to Judaism must be approved by the Orthodox Rabbinate—civil conversions are not recognised. Religious law also governs marriage, divorce, and burial, entrenching the rabbis’ influence in the legal system.

This religious grip extends to Israeli electoral politics. Ultra-Orthodox parties like Shas and United Torah Judaism have toppled governments by rabbinic decree. In 2014, Rabbi Aharon Yehuda Steinman ordered a boycott of Netanyahu’s coalition—leading to its collapse.

The rabbis’ demands often include:

 

Funding for yeshivas
Control over education and media policy
Influence on judicial appointments
Rabbinic Decrees that Justify Genocide
The influence of Israeli rabbis goes beyond policy—it touches the core of violence.

In 2015, an investigation by Haaretz exposed that American Jewish organisations were funding extremist yeshivas in Israel through tax-exempt donations. These institutions promoted the destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque and the killing of Arabs, under the guise of religious rulings.

One example is Rabbi Ginzburg’s yeshiva, known for advocating religiously sanctioned violence. Books like The King’s Torah (2009), written by Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur, openly justify killing non-Jews—including children—if they pose a hypothetical threat to Jews. These rulings do not require state approval and are shielded under Israeli law as protected religious opinion.

These ideologies feed extremist groups like:

 

Hilltop Youth: known for torching Palestinian homes and attacking villagers
Lehava and Elad: pushing forced Judaization in Jerusalem and Hebron
Since 2003, the Sanhedrin movement, backed by key rabbis, issued rulings allowing Jewish prayer and rituals at Al-Aqsa Mosque, encouraging Talmudic ceremonies in its courtyards. By 2006, they had succeeded in making these practices mainstream among Temple Mount activists.

Rabbis Behind the War on Gaza
Since the start of Israel’s war on Gaza in October 2023, extremist rabbis have once again issued bloodthirsty fatwas:

 

Rabbi Eliyahu Mali called for the complete extermination of Gaza’s population
Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu declared that killing women and children is permissible, citing “Jewish law and ethics”
These are not fringe figures—they run major religious institutions with state support and generous salaries, and their words influence military policy and public discourse.

As noted by researcher Maha Shahwan in her study “Rabbis: Israel’s Kingmakers”, Religious Zionism has evolved from a theological movement into a dominant political and military force, controlling the narrative across courts, parliaments, newsrooms, and battlefields.

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I also somewhat recently submitted all the info to "ID Me" and had to do it twice for some reason, but it seems to be a third party service, which makes me wonder who all has access to the information I submitted, front/back of my driver's license, etc., and all my social security info.

Being the skeptical person I am, my trust level is not very high, and I'm not really sure how secure my security is with a service like this. Who owns it? What else might they be doing with the information? Not feeling very trustful.

The letter I received a few days after submitting all my info, I believe, is just a confirmation letting me know that someone submitted my identification, in case it wasn't me. That's my impression anyway.

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My newest venture into the current world of setting up "MySocial Security" online account has resulted in me being told that SSA has mailed me a letter to activate my account. Connecting with them online or on the phone does not help here because I have an active account and have drawn Social Security for some time. Now I am supposed to use Login.gov or ID.me to finish this account process. It is done through documents and not a code. Phone calls locally and to SSA gov. produce people who know very little. Wait for the letter they say but nobody knows what is in the letter.

This process is back and forth, back and forth using code numbers but the one thing I learned today is that I now have Login.gov and ID.me accounts. My Login.gov account was finished for me by a friendly postal worker here locally but the USPS nationwide claims to know nothing.

I'm watching my mailbox. Will the letter with a number come and read "your mission, Jim, if you choose to accept it . . . . . . ." Back into the spook business.

Sounds confusing and frustrating...just as Trumputin/Musk intend it to be.

@Flyingsaucesir I'm sure this was set up to be confusing. Imagine those who have no idea how to use a computer. If they get no help with this they might be the first to lose Social Security. If getting rid of the program was always to goal of the far right what else do we expect? I am following orders enough now to have the 2 Real ID apps that are government approved. The goal is to make my SS account go as long as the program continues.

Big problems here are that local SSA and government branches know so little about Login.gov or ID.me. A local office told me in a phone call that they have been told nothing on which offices will even be shut down in my state.

@DenoPenno My mom gets a Social Security payment directly deposited to her bank account now. I don't think she has received any letter about setting up an online account. I had never even heard of Login.gov or ID.me before reading your post. And let me tell you, ignorance is (was) bliss! 😂

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My California driver's license is a Real ID. I thought it was a good idea, and got it soon after they started the program. 😎👍

It's a good idea that you will have to expand along the lines being discussed here. This way your benefits continue and you also continue as a real person.

@DenoPenno Hahaha! Ok you can put your cattle prod away amigo! I'll start with a question! How easy is it to fake a real ID? How secure are the databases that contain that information? We've recently seen a rogue president give a squad of hackers the keys to the buildings and the "secure" databases of multiple government agencies. And even from a basement in New Jersey or the outskirts of Moscow, is there such a thing as an un-hackable system?

That being said, I'd like to live in a society where no one feels like they can get away with doing bad things under cover of anonymity.

@Flyingsaucesir I agree, but on Facebook there are maybe 9 Jennifer Aniston's. I'm sure all of them have been vetted by Meta and they have the same info. This does not make them all real. What is the next step? Seeing that they really are women and might have possibly had facial surgery.

If we are to have Real ID at all then we must start with Real ID. Without it your Social Security is at risk.

@DenoPenno I was a bit surprised to find out how many people there are in the USA who have the same first and last names as me. Couldn't all those Jennifer Anistons be different people?

@Flyingsaucesir but do they all have the same year of birth as you let alone month & day?

And whilst I briefly have your attention & you are focussed on " I'd like to live in a society where no one feels like they can get away with doing bad things under cover of anonymity." I'd like you to watch this American reveal why there is no peace in the middle east because Obama (the "great"Nobel Peace prizewinner) on Israeli instruction scuttled the 2011 Peace plan agreed to by all nations apart from Israel & its lackey USA -

Ping @puff, @Marionville, @AnneWimsey500, @Alienbeing.

@FrayedBear You fool yourself if you think I would waste my time looking at anything you post 😂

@Flyingsaucesir there is an old saying very applicable to your ignorance & stupidity - "only a fool cuts off his nose to spite his face".

I've just read that Boeing has lost 25% of its business thanks to the new tarriff sanctions against China. To prevent Boeing's liquidation Trump will have to subsidise it. Do you think that is going to be paid for by money collected from tarriffs or from your hard earned wages or profits?

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I have real ID, Login.gov and direct deposit...

The Real ID that I have is Missouri state ID. I'm working on Login.gov now because it will be a handy thing to have. I'm not moving but if I did move right now it would be next to impossible to set up direct deposit at my new bank without Login.gov. Some people just do not get this. The first step in Missouri is to get the Real ID driver's license (or non-driver) because very soon now you cannot fly or go into a government building without it. It does not cost anything and my neighbor turned it down because she said she would not be doing any flying. She will probably say no to Login.gov as well.

I'm no longer a Republican and do not believe Trump or Elon, but the way things are heading you need Login.gov just to prove who you are. Without it you will find many doors closing to you very soon. On Facebook there are about 9 Jennifer Aniston person's who share enough info to be verified as her. We know this cannot be true. Our government wants to really verify that we are who we say we are. It only makes good sense. I've tried to steer others in the right direction in the article.

@DenoPenno Wait until she tries to enter a federal building or gets kicked off her social security... or get on a train or get on a greyhound bus... I found out yesterday they are changing the rules for riding those...

@Lizard_of_Ahaz I did reply on this but it somehow went to next post. A case of me hitting the wrong button. LOL

Oh, well. Both of them are the same subject. I hope others see this and give their ideas.

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