Brentan the social democrats have moved so far to the right nothing separates them from right wing parties, the labour party in Ireland tried to charge us for water and took medical cards off down syndrome children, read the passage again this is what Lenin meant when he was talking about class forces behind politics. Social democrats are ruled by the ruling class and have been since they voted for war credits before ww1. Education is only fair and good in its entirety if it is for the benefit of all humanity and it is organized in an egalitarian and with understanding societal empathy, education for the greater good of humanity, hence education under socialism. Lenin and Trotsky were both Marxist materialists and in no way idealists.

@OwlInASack Why did they vote with their own governments to go to war instead of working on liberating the working class in ww1 then? and were you aware they used to be in the socialist international the 2nd international with Trotsky and Lenin who both opposed war?

@OwlInASack [wsws.org] UK: Pro-Corbyn councillors sabotage fight against Labour’s social cleansing, and btw we've loads of articles on labour and everyone else calling themselves left

@Bobby9 I certainly would like education for all. I would like a liberal education in particular, where the best ideas from the past are used in the formation of the person. Instead, all I see is data intake and ideology.