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German view on Brexit and the Isle of Madness
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Where I live I realised fairly quickly people did not understand what was happening.
Which is why it makes me laugh when politicians talk about the “the People” knowing what they were doing and what they wanted when they voted in the referendum (ref-eren-DUMB).
The basic consensus from the man in the street, or at least the man in the pub seemed to be that Brexit meant...
1 Vote Leave on Thursday
2 Leave on Friday and open up a dozen new Hospitals and ban licensing laws
3 Kick out all the Brown people on Saturday morning back to Europestan or were ever they all cummed from, close all the mosques and turn them in to betting shops on the afternoon, get rid of the Romanians and Poles by nine o'clock in the evening, after they finished fitting my new kitchen.
3a Make talkin' proper English an' singin' god save the queen compulsory, and then moan about how there ain't any curry houses and Kebab shops any more.
4 Stop teachin' the kids foreign rubbish in school on the following Monday, then reopen the Kebab shops and curry houses run by white people.
5 Get the empire back by Christmas and canonise Churchill and Thatcher.
LenHazell53
Level 9
Nov 29, 2018
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If anyone actually believed the sign on the bus they did not get the point.If they had gone to the trouble to google the facts that amount included our refund plus a whole lot more.It did get the votes though.People below a certain age did not know what it was like before the EU so could also be biased.
How we came into the EU when we only wanted the common market still leaves me baffled.
The outcome now is not going to please anyone.
Xanadutoo
Level 7
Nov 29, 2018
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Leaders can be changed . It is a new system and we are not living in the past. It is a first stage to world government [ which will solve so many problems] and if EU fails we go back 'n' years . Czechoslovakia is an entirely different situation but do not ask me to explain.
UK can provide some excellent leaders but noit the biased Brexiteers .
Mcflewster
Level 8
Nov 29, 2018
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Not everyone who voted to leave was a xenophobe or a 'little Englander', some saw what the leaders of the EU were about and wanted none of it. Most people in the UK have no problem with the peoples of Europe, but they do have a problem with the EU's leaders and the decisions they make. It appears many of the citizens of the supposedly sovereign nations that make up the EU are not happy with the EU powers that be either.
History has shown time and time again that people of different areas, nations etc. do not want to live under the control of an all-encompassing ruling power. For example, if we look at the fall of the Roman, British and Soviet Empires, most of the territories they had controlled chose to become separate sovereign nations independent of one another. This did not necessarily mean animosity - the 'velvet divorce which separated Czechoslovakia is a good example of a peaceful separation.
Nomad
Level 6
Nov 29, 2018
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It’s interesting that you cited...Slovakia and the Czech Republic both joined the EU...somewhat negating your argument. What the U.K. should have done under Cameron, was to stay in and try to work with other like minded member states, such as Denmark and Netherlands to push for reform instead of calling a referendum to appease the extreme EU haters on his own Tory backbenches. They were running scared that UKIP were going to beat them in the polls, and that is the only thing that drove him to this mad decision. The benefits of being in the EU far outweigh any benefits of leaving, most of which are complete fantasy, as is becoming increasingly evident.
Nomad, you mentioned "empires". These were the result of violent conquest, unlike the EU, which came about through talking to each other and negotiating outcomes. Your argument is a red herring, avoiding the facts of the vision of post-WW2 leaders. By all means do as LenHazell53 suggests, and canonise Churchill; he was one of those visionary leaders.
I thought you were going to go down the Stuart Lee route there...
@Red_Cat several people have missed the point I was making. Yes, member states joined the EU willingly back then as it looked like a good idea, and perhaps it was back then. Unfortunately the nobel ideals the EU may have had have been corrupted by some, and so some states now want out. Others are openly defying what the EU leadership states. The other good reason to avoid centralising power is that the more people a power controls, the more people's lives they can screw up if they make a mistake - which politicians do quite often. Decentralised power is at least damage control.
@Nomad This morning the UK (those of us not too exhausted) is taking heed of the advisory report from the EU's top legal bloke: Article 50 can be revoked without any consultation, something we knew when the (advisory) Referendum was called by Cowardly Cameron.
Using the word "corrupted" seems inappropriate when we have EU legislation to thank for many of the human rights we enjoy. One only has to think of the ECHR: [en.wikipedia.org]
If centralisation has delivered these safeguards, I do not fear centralisation.
I agree entirely....almost word for word in fact.
Marionville
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Nov 29, 2018
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