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"Your western morality is based on Judeo-Christian values"

If I got a penny each time I was told by the religious, or that strange breed of atheists fans of Jordan Peterson, this most unnerving, cringy assertion, (rarely, if ever, followed by any justification) I would buy myself a yatch. It's especially appealing because it hides a few lies amid half-truths.

Human civilisation is WAY older than Judeo-Christian "values" (If they aren't those a mixed bag of contradictions in the first place). But to claim that Christianity was the origin of Western Civilisation is a bit of a perverse argument. Christianity was the dominant religion in Europe for centuries, and it was so by the sword. Of course, only the Christian long-lasting hegemony could relay us all that it was inherited or usurped to older civilisations, not to mention the cases when it acted as a censor of ancient wisdom.

The claim of ownership or copyright on human morality is both a veiled assertion on the existence of a supernatural being (without even mentioning said being), but is often made by people accepting the evolutionary origin of religion; which should fly in the face on the supernatural origin hypothesis. It's also a more direct claim that without Judeo-Christian morality, we would be killing each other like savages, and so we should see such evidence in anthropological research of antiquity. And yet, what we see is perfectly stable civilisations prior to Judaic Monotheism, with their own codes of law, with their reasonably thoughtful moral norms, and we see those being inherited by Judaism. Not to mention the Chinese, or the Japanese, or the Aztecs and the Mayans, who didn't have any contact with Christianity until much later, (if they weren't colonised and slaved by Christians, in the case of the American natives). If there was any savagery or injustice in pre-monotheistic societies, the same can be found in monotheistic ones.

Perhaps the one concept that has something like an authorship claim in Judeo-Christian values is that of Social Equality. Although the Hebrew did not undertake the study of Equality as a social value per se, Judaic Law effectively applied to all people regardless of gender, sex or position, stablishing a direct relationship between all the Hebrew people and their God (see Ezra-Nehemiah). But, that would leave out other places where this idea evolved independently. One could be the Buddhist rejection of the Hindu Caste system. But a more direct ancestor of our current understanding of Equality is of course in polytheistic Ancient Greece. It was in Aristotle's discussion of political justice that he examines equality in a way that resembles its modern understanding. Political justice is a matter for citizens, whom he defines as "those who share in common a life aiming at self-sufficiency, who are free and either proportionally or numerically equal" (Ethics, 1134a27–29).

Although the status of Athenian citizenship does not extend to slaves, one has only to imagine the abolition of slavery to achieve real Equality under the law... and it's not like Judeo-Christian values perform any better on that front.

As George Carlin once said about the Ten Commandments, "God forgot a couple of things, like... Slavery! It just fucking slipped his mind."

leofalas 4 June 14
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That slavery is not condemned in the Bible is not an oversight. It is deliberate and for the following reason: the claim of the so-called "Creator" essentially boils down to this: I made you, I own you!

This being the case, the Abrahamic religions couldn't afford to critique slavery in any meaningful way. It was not until the European Englightenment when "authority" in all its guises (including religious) was subjected to the scrutiny of reason, that the abolition movement was born. Though Christians were involved in this, it was the spirit of the age that moved them.

@Gwendolyn2018 I think you are looking at it from the wrong angle. The fundamental core of Christian Doctrine is the assertion that God is GOOD. Not just good, but impeccable. Endorsing slavery as the Bible does, is seriously problematic. Kidnapping is banned and the crime punishable by death. What is slavery if not an extreme form of kidnapping? Don't tell me the priests were too stupid to connect the dots.

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Say the people who believe you are forgiven for anything by just asking for it.

That’s more a license to misbehave than it’s a morality code

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Thanks for sharing. I've always chalked it up to a BS claim by those who maintain a myopic view of history and the world.

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I cannot bear Jordan Peterson. The ruling class owned media is constantly shoving him down our throats. He's everywhere.

Atheists have sincere morality because it comes from within, whereas theists have fake morality because it's imposed.

I personally do not dislike him. I would like to debate him, even, amicably. That doesn't make a fan, but I appreciate him as the 'Steel Man' Argument (as the best version of the arguments I oppose)

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Our morality is based on the philosophy of the Enlightenment, which was vigorously opposed by the religious establishment of the time.

Yes, and the enlightenment was a child of Greek Philosophy, for the most part.

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Quicker to the point:
Since the bibles contain only one actual moral prescript, "Do unto others,... which is much older than any of the bibles,, and there are no other descriptions of morality, in the books, we did NOT get our morality from the bibles.

Other: If it is true that our current morality is based upon the bibles, no wonder we are so fucked up.

JacarC Level 8 June 14, 2018
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