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I read a post on Facebook today. Hundreds of Americans aggressively stating that the US was founded on Christian and religious beliefs. I must say it made me very uncomfortable. Feels like if that was in my own country, I would be victimized, distrusted and discriminated. I hope it is just social media making it more visible but it looks like America is going backwards and certainly polarizing. I am not American, but I’d like to hear how you feel when you are in the lions den, so to speak

WurstenReturns 4 Dec 27
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we live in the penthouse over the crack house.[ canada] stupid is as stupid does. if they don't attack anyone it is all good

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@WurstenReturns how would you describe the difference between Britain First and Trump's base?

From my side I’d see a big difference. A huge proportion in the US appear to vote just republican or Democrat just because they do. There are only two choices and most of the time it’s made up for them. The media are massively biased depending on the channel and to be brutally honest, many Americans are terribly educated and know nothing outside of the US and often their own state.... not talking about all Americans of course. Britain first is different in that they do oppose all foreigners but they are more akin to the mei nazis, white power etc etc which is a small trump base. Just they way I see it to be honest. I think just the way the American political system is set up is making it more likely for these to be highlighted.

@WurstenReturns Yes, the two-party system is like Hertz and Avis or Coke and Pepsi. The two sides defend the system so each side can exercise at least some level of power, and dangerous ideas like the Greens or Social Democrats can't creep in.

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That misconception bothers me also. I believe our founding fathers went to great lengths NOT to reference Christianity. The Declaration of Independence mentions the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" and mentions an ambiguous "Creator" and that's it, period. No mention of Jesus or the Christian faith. I think most of them were Deists and not necessarily Christian, though they were probably raised Christian and incorporated some of the (better) principles of the faith and rejecting the dogma.

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One thing many of us Americans counter with is that several of the Founding Fathers were deists, so while they may have professed to faith of their times, they by no means founded the U.S. as a Christian nation. Many of us were also taught that the original 13 colonies were a mix of places such as Puritan Massachusetts, Rhode Island, founded by those who left oppression or banishment from Massachusetts, Maryland, which was more of a safe haven for Catholics, and Virginia, where Thomas Jefferson authored the Virginia Statutes of Religious Freedom, which offered freedom of religion to all faiths, not to be confused with establishment of religion. That being said, I was able to attend public schools that stuck with established tenets of American History and in a part of the country that was not under the control of a more faith-oriented school board that would have influenced school text publishing.

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Doesn’t the U.K. have an official national religion? As I understand it, like here in the US, more and more Brits identify as secular. My experience has been, the more vocal people are, the more extremely they speak, the smaller their minority. People here do believe our country was founded on Judeo Christian beliefs. Not everyone, but a good chunk. But you are correct about the polarizing. The Internet has given people the freedom to spout their extremist views among friends. It’s a frightening development.

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This is what I was taught. And, now, the fact denying Religious Right, with tRUMPf as their god incarnate, is worse than ever at making up their own facts. The death knell has been sounded for these types, and they are desperate to maintain their (unconstitutionally) favored status in this country.

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Why is it that the most adamant “Christians” are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, anti-choice, anti-human rights? When apparently their Jesus was none of those things. A very strange phenomenon.
And why does the pledge of allegiance in school have “under god” in it when church and state are supposedly separate?
Why ask why?

“Under god” was added to the pledge on Flag Day 1954 because of the fear of communism stirred up by Joseph McCarty. It was a bit like now in that a lot of people feared everything but what they should fear and that is a loss of freedom.

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The Orange One encourages this rhetoric. I also feel extremely uncomfortable and as if we have went backward very quickly but I don't know what to do but vote and protest and encourage others to do the same.

gearl Level 8 Dec 27, 2017
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It makes me angry when they talk about the US being a Christtian country. We have to vote Republicans out of Congress come November.

@VirginCotton No. Republicans have shown to be out for themselves and for those who have financed their campaigns. In the preamble to the Constitution, the Founding Fathers sort of laid out their goals by saying "promote the general welfare". I take that to mean help the country as a whole and not any one particular group, such as the fat cats who already have most of the money in the country.

@VirginCotton Ah "wealth redistribution". The new tax plan distributes the wealth, which way? The laws are written to favor folks who ALREADY have money, because they can afford to grease the palms of the legislators. Ever hear of your homeless man bribing a legislator? Using the word "socialism" as if it's a bad word when our American system is an amalgamation of several systems and is not pure anything. "Provide for the common defense" and "promote the general welfare" are in the Preamble to our Constitution as stated goals for our system of government. Seems like some people are fine with "wealth redistribution" the way it is NOW, with all the wealth in the hands of a few.

I support government that is fair to all. Of the two, Obama is light years more enlightened than Trump.

@VirginCotton Horse feathers. We have a social system as well as capitalism. Our military, police, road system, libraries, fire departments etc. Those things are all over the place. The Constitution was established "in order to form a more perfect union". It's NOT pure anything, much less pure capitalism. Trump is a liar. Out for himself. If it helps the country, it's accidental.

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