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If it is okay to kill animals to eat, is it okay to kill them for sport (fox hunting, grouse shooting, hare coursing) or treasure (Ivory, hide etc.) or entertainment (Cock fight, badger baiting, bull fight etc.)

Geoffrey51 8 June 18
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I assume your question is rhetorical. As @jlynn37 said - how can you equate them? It is NOT okay, beyond meat for food, and even then, the factory farming industry is horribly cruel. When will we as a species stop cruelty to our fellow creatures?

They seem to be contexts in which animals are killed. Just wondering if anyone here felt that any or none of these forms are acceptable.

I don’t see it ever happening ? we as humans torture other humans, our own children...etc. The cruelty in the world has no bounds!

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My personal opinion on killing animals is it’s acceptable if you’re going to be using the resources from the animal to satisfy needs (food and clothing), or of the animals pose a danger to the area.

I hunt. Mostly wild hogs, copperheads, armadillos, and gophers because they are all incredibly destructive and/or dangerous. The hogs tear up fences and the root systems of oak trees. Copperheads are just plain nasty because they are incredibly venomous and they don’t flee as most snakes are prone to doing, instead they freeze which sucks because they have the best camouflage. The armadillos and gophers create big holes that injure deer, cattle, horses, and people when they are walking.

That sounds like a practical application, Prescott. Makes perfect sense

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None of it is "ok." The meat industry will never let anyone stop them. They are disgusting! My family has been meat free for generations.

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L have been involved in the jewelry industry for 40 years. During a Symposium held every couple of years in my industry, I and a partner always do a poster session on endangered species material being used in the jewelry industry. I have also been involved in appraising the second largest seizure by U.S. Customs of endangered species materials (primarily ivory) on the west coast of the U.S. The amount of ivory available on the market is staggering and the killing of more animals is not only unnecessary but unconscionable. The loss of the elephant as a key link in the food chain in Africa will not only doom the continent, it will put all other animals in the world at risk.

Cupajo Level 1 June 18, 2018
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Is it okay to throw a baby from the second floor of a burning building to another person?
Is it okay to throw a baby from the second floor of a building to another person for fun?
Is it okay to throw a baby from the second floor of a building to see who can throw it the farthest?

It seems like the act itself is not the only factor in its justification.

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I think killing humanely and respectfully for food is significantly different from trophy hunting or sport killing, even if you don't agree with any of them.

Killing "humanely" is of course a value judgment. I read recently that in dog kill shelters, probably because of their sense of smell and their already heightened alertness in an unfamiliar and stressful situation, dogs virtually always figure out what's about to happen when they are to be put down, no matter how nicely it's done, and they fight for their lives every time, and it ain't pretty. It may be that when it comes to higher life forms like sheep and cows, there IS no way for their death not to be horrific to them. I admit to having mixed feelings about it. It's just that there are so many things on my "save the world" or "really ought to do" list and in TrumpWorld it's a list that's not getting any shorter.

I can imagine. From a distance Trumpworld looks peculiar, even surreal. I can't imagine what it is like inside it.

There is no such thing as "humane" killing. IT's a lie people tell themselves to avoid dealing with the truth.

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No.

Coldo Level 8 June 18, 2018
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I disagree with the practice of killing for sport, treasure of entertainment.
But I understand and recognize that it's my opinion and that others may think it's okay.
Certainly there are cultures that consider some of these things perfectly acceptable.

scurry Level 9 June 18, 2018
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No,
No,
No

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I don't know. If capital punishment is legal, should we be able to kill people for bad driving? If the intent of killing an animal doesn't matter, do intentions matter at all? Is CPR different than jumping on a sunbathing woman , grabbing her breast, and smooching her?

@NotAndrew no, I didn't hear about that. In my CPR class, I was taught that good Samaritan laws protect me from breaking ribs while doing cpr

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No!

Betty Level 8 June 18, 2018
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No it isn't ok to do anything you don't need to do to any life form

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None of those are "ok" and none of those are necessary.

Love these❤️This is what I see everyday in my living room.

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There is a difference in killing for food or for protection and killing for the sake of killing something and/or because someone wants a disembodied head on their wall; or in watching animals in a brutal fight to the death for sick human entertainment. And, when killing endangered and threatened species it is even worse.

As for animals who are raised for our benefit-- it is just as wrong to make them endure horrific conditions before they are slaughtered as it is to make them suffer in other ways such as cock fights, bull fights etc.

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How do you leap from eating animals to abusing them for "fun", exactly? Ex was hugely into hunting & fishing...we ate nothing but game, all kinds. Fishing was usually catch & release. He was one of the most environmentally aware people I have ever met, sustainable hunting in the absence of natural predators is Necessary!

Quite agree. Never did get the aristocracies penchant for stag hunting in Scotland. Can’t imagine why this post has surfaced it’s about a year old!

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If you intend eating them it's best if they are dead as it is hard to keep them still and you lose whatever nutrition energy you gain hold them down and the noise they make is irritating.

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God no. Sport is often not even sporting but rather entrapment and somehow this is a testament to testosterone? And who are the beasts amongst us who call pitting animals against one another entertainment? It's depravity, perversion.

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No!

jacpod Level 8 June 18, 2018
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Why would you equate sport, pleasure and profit to what is almost necessary to sustain life?

They seem to be contexts in which animals are killed. Just wondering if anyone here felt that any or none of these forms are acceptable.

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Just so that everyone is aware, as Bobby9 pointed out, there is no question mark at the end of the sentence. For the others of you who may not be aware, this post is a question and not a statement. Apologies to those who may have missed the context due to the oversight of a question mark at the end of the sentence and misconstrued any intention other than petitioning the thoughts of others

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You have to make your own mind up about this one as its an individual choice; I am vegan and in thhe world those entertainments do exist and apart from signing petitions not a lot I can do about it .

jacpod Level 8 June 21, 2018
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Was jesus or mahoma vegans? Vegetarians perhaps? That should be your answer.

I doubt Jesus was vegetarian but I suspect he didn't go hunting elephants for Ivory!

Why would Jesus or Mahoma, or more specifically their eating habits, have any bearing on if it's ok or not, to kill a giraffe for sport?

@Geoffrey51 but sacrificed sheeps and goats and his father humans. And he used leather and wool so....

@scurry Not to repeat myself for you, read what I answered geoffrey51.

@scurry, @Geoffrey51 I don't fish or hunt but I eat beef and meat and wasn't cain killing abel a hunting accident gone wrong? Wasn't samson a showed off hunter? How about david before being king? Like I said I eat beef and meat and if I knew chihuahuas tasted good, my sister would had been without some of her pets. But luckily since I don't eat chinese or korean never experienced dog to my knowledge. Wool and leather I wear. I always ask vegans and vegetarians if their car have leather seats or to show me their wallets. The hypocrite human always shedding crocodile tears. Get Out of Here! Walking in your made out of leather shoes with your leather soles.

@GipsyOfNewSpain I'm not really sure why you think the fairytales in the Bible have anything to do with what anyone on this site thinks about eating meat, hunting elephants, or wearing leather.
Sleeping Beauty ate a poisonous apple, but I still eat fruit.
Has about as much relevance.

@scurry So show me your wallet. take pictures of your shoes.

@GipsyOfNewSpain Again, not sure what that has to do with anything. My shoes happen to be canvas, but I'll happily eat bacon or a burger. Jesus has nothing to do with it, neither does Snow White!
Neither religion nor fairytales have any bearing on my food or clothing choices.

@scurry I don't think vegetarians eat their shoes the last I looked.?

@Geoffrey51 So vegetarians, just as vegans parlay their hypocrisy of being "nice and respectful" to animals and not consuming animals but their belts? leather, their car seats? leather, leather coats, wool clothing, etc, etc, etc. You hypocrites had worn me out. I don't care if you hunt or fish. Don't give a damn if you eat meat or suck beef... or don't.

@Geoffrey51 unless they're made out of pineapples or maybe kale? ??

@GipsyOfNewSpain I can't speak for vegetarians or vegans. For me the only comment I have ever made is that I don't eat meat which I think you will find is the stance of many non-meat eaters

@Geoffrey51 I rare eat seafood, does not mean I stopped being a sailor because of it or that I hate fishermen. So whatever.

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It's not okay for pure sport or entertainment. "Treasure" is a little ambiguous as you define it, since the hides (for leather) are used for practical purposes, just as are many other parts that are not edible. If by "treasure" you mean simple trophies, I believe that's not okay.

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