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Well here we go again. well here i go again. another ending of a potential relationship.i just got tired of being in the friend zone. and i really have a hard time understanding this sometimes.i don't want to be someone's crutch as they go through a difficult time. and i guess moaning a little about on here is a little cathartic. so bear with me. i cannot count the times i have heard that "i am a great guy, but." it can be just a real pain in the butt. lol but i was very realistic about how i felt entering the relationship to start with, as i have been more of a failure than a finisher.but thats ok. i love my life. i get to ride around racetracks teaching people how to go fast and do other things to keep busy.
the best or worst part was i was trying to build a friendship first, and then see where it would go. never completed the deal, and she never even wanted to kiss me. so once again , i will sail off into the distance, mend my heart and try to find that "one" to help fill the empty part in my life. the one thing i know and really like about being on this site is being able to communicate with people all over. brings it closer to the heart. be well people and try to keep your head up. thanks for putting up with this. TO THE BAR !!!!

racnismylife 5 June 23
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I know that feeling. I've heard "I just want to be friends" too many times, enough for me to stop even wanting to be in a relationship because it just got so discouraging. So here I am, maybe on the verge of a relationship, maybe not. I could be hearing that again; the question is, will it discourage me again? Jury's still out.

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Lol ... don't think you're not going to continue to hear "you're a great guy, but ..." just because you're married. I heard it at one time or another from all three of my wives. Guess I look good from a distance but don't hold up to close scrutiny. But guess what: no one really does. After you've been with someone for a few years, you know each other's bullshit and then still have to decide to be devoted and loyal anyway. And the truth is, sometimes that's just a lot of thankless work.

Dude, you really need to loose the "fill the empty part of my heart" fantasy. Fill your own heart ... no one is going to do it for you. Nor is it their job. Being with someone only gives you more of what you already have -- if you're a lost soul, they'll make you more lost. If you're needy, it will make you more needy. "Become the person you want to be with", hackneyed as it is, really IS true.

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You've made the correct decision in choosing to move on.

First of all, you are not this persons free therapist. There are professionals who get paid money to sit there and listen to people bitch about their problems.

Second of all, the relationship will not work at any level if both parties want something different. If this person will not become sexually involved with you, then go find someone who will.

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The friend zone isn't a thing, except as a sexist notion. And initiating a friendship as a platform for something else means your friendship wasn't real either.

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Basically this.

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Dude, I feel you. Dating is rough. It seems like all there is out there is people trying to rush into a full on relationship without doing the ground work or people treating each other like they are disposable.

No words of wisdom. Just commiseration.

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Ok, just a thought from the female perspective. If you were trying to build a friendship first, but always had the intention that it would become something romantic, and were not interested in actually being friends if it wasn’t going to become romantic, then the “friendship first” thing is a bit disingenuous.

This is true to a point, then again I give into my optimism and see it as a mere lack of synonyms.

As the OP said "...I don't want to be someone's crutch as they go through a difficult time..."
which leans me more towards the 'pump the brakes' side of things. As in let me be sure this person isn't seeking me as merely an emotional stepping stone before I invest my heart into this.

The "curse" of this tactic is that the other person will see you as just disinterested, instead of guarding ones heart; thus leading to having to "sail off" aka: move on from that attempt and try again, and again....and again...and again.... you get it. 🙂

Then again I could be biased as I do have hopeless-romantic swings from time to time, and my desire to just have love reciprocated with love minus all the strings/catches is seemingly harder to obtain as the years go on.

For those who 'eye-roll' at hopeless-romantic I see it as genuine quid-pro-quo. Not some haughty, high horse riding, unrealistic, white-knighting, fedora tipping, melancholic, daydream.
Just a desire to be loved as much as one loves. Coffee for coffee, hug for hug, etc...
Genuine equality basically; no obligation, but simply reciprocation.

@BeardedWonder i think you are closer to how I actually feel than most of the others. I was open and honest about who I am and what I want from a relationship. we all know that there are users out there from both sexes. I come from a time that men were taught to be respectful of women. and today I think its seen as weakness. I was raised by my mom and my two grandmothers to be a courtly southern gentleman. I am proud of it. it is who I am, and I won't change. but that's ok. and I just think that the opposite sexes can be friends. its important. but why be on a dating site, like the one we met on, and not be honest about what they want. that is the sad part. but its life, I am still going to get up everyday and try to be the best person I can be that day. and just keep stacking them. thanks all for the thoughts.

@racnismylife that’s called integrity. Be true to yourself and when you find the right person she’ll love you for it!

@racnismylife To be fair, we were taught to be fair to respectful of everyone not just women unless that person should prove themselves otherwise.

I was raised mostly by my mother as well as my aunt, uncle, grandparents, and great-grandparents; takes a village to raise a child, right?

I count myself immeasurably lucky in that respect as not only was I granted many different perspectives from different people, but different 'lenses of time' if you will as well.

I agree with your perspective on pressing on through life.
As John Wayne said, and I'm sure you know it too:
"Courage is being scared to death, but saddling-up anyway."

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Sounds like the relationship you wanted was never there, you wanted it, she was never interested in that way, ...... being able to recognize this early on is sometimes easier said than done, often the human heart is slow to accept the reality

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I'm sorry that happened. You might want to find out where the relationship is going before you invest too much time in it. Most women who are sexually attracted to a man will kiss him after a few dates, so if she doesn't you might want to keep dating others.

I know you've been at agnostic.com for a while, but this website has a bit of a learning curve, but this info might be helpful for dating here.

New members are encouraged to earn website points, and help other members get to know them better, by writing an informational profile that includes their hobbies and interests, and answering all the profile questions, since that's the first place many women look when they see a new member.

Also, the website uses profiles to find member matches, so the more details one includes, the better the match.
Many women prefer to quickly look at a list of hobbies and interests to see if there's a match with a potential dating partner.

You probably already know this, but just in case:

To find members near you, click on the "Meet" button at the top of the page, then on "Members," and enter your preferred search parameters.
Or click on the "About" button at the top of the page to find links to FAQ or the website tutorial.
Click on the 'Meet" button to find member matches

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You need to love yourself first, before loving someone else. "You complete me," is a sappy quote from the movie, "Jerry McGuire." It's a fantasy.

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There is a proverb in numerous cultures that "life is uncertain, so eat desert first". Perhaps you should restrict yourself to dating women who are willing to hook up no later than the second date. Reportedly Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn did it on their first date, and they've been together for 35 years now; so a quick start doesn't preclude a long relationship.

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OK, the one that stick with me the most is,
"I want to find a guy just like you, oh, but not you!"
does that make any sense what soever?

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