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I'm interested in learning your views on the psychology field.

Likeminds 4 June 28
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I think although psychology is seen as more prestigious, sociology is actually more useful in application. Ideally social psuchology whic blends the two sciences would be best.

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It is not a science, and (appropriately) suffers from an inferiority complex because of it.

@evestrat I do not doubt your excellence or integrity as a scientist. But using scientific methods doesn't make psychology a science. It is not math, physics etc. We've never seen a Nobel for work in psychology and likely won't.

@evestrat Several points:

-I understand the bias of the Nobel committee. Doesn't change my point, but your observation is fair.
-Yes, the field is noble, rewarding and needed. And some of it is helpful.
-I am sure you have high integrity, a math undergraduate degree is impressive.

Here's just one writers (scientist) summary:

"The dismissive attitude scientists have toward psychologists isn't rooted in snobbery; it's rooted in intellectual frustration. It's rooted in the failure of psychologists to acknowledge that they don't have the same claim on secular truth that the hard sciences do. It's rooted in the tired exasperation that scientists feel when non-scientists try to pretend they are scientists.

That's right. Psychology isn't science.

Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability."

"To be fair, not all psychology research is equally wishy-washy. Some research is far more scientifically rigorous. And the field often yields interesting and important insights.

But to claim it is "science" is inaccurate. Actually, it's worse than that. It's an attempt to redefine science. Science, redefined, is no longer the empirical analysis of the natural world; instead, it is any topic that sprinkles a few numbers around. This is dangerous because, under such a loose definition, anything can qualify as science. And when anything qualifies as science, science can no longer claim to have a unique grasp on secular truth.

That's why scientists dismiss psychologists. They're rightfully defending their intellectual turf".

@evestrat Your final statement says it all. Nothing you can respond with is going to change my mind

That is not the position any scientist would reasonably take.
Its antithetical to the very idea.

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Still in it's "Infancy"

Coldo Level 8 June 28, 2018
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From a Math perspective, it's totally cool, and I enjoyed reading tons of it. Is there some degree of nonsense, idiotically composed studies and unethical behavior? Of course. But otherwise it's pretty empirically kosher, reasonable, etc.

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Welcome to the community .

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Be more specific. What are your real questions?

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Psychology has lost its' way. Fundamentally there are three main reasons for people to be as they are. Physiological (psychiatrists), environmental (psychiatrists, and psychologists) and instinctive (psychiatrists and psychologists). The role of the psychologist is to treat environmentally acquired behavioural patterns. For example, it is common for child victims of dog bites to have a lifetime fear of dogs. The psychologist should be able to identify and treat the phobia using ONLY environmental factors. Slow introduction to small friendly dogs, would be the first step, in that case. In my experience, the psychologist appointment leads to a doctors appointment to get anti anxiety medications to take for the rest of your life. A physiological remedy, to a naturally occurring, appropriate, environmentally conditioned behavioural response.
That's my opinion of psychology.

I disagree fundamentally with your statement. The huge field of human psychology has many facets -- behavioral, cognitive, perceptual, analytical, social, clinical. etc, etc. Each subdivision is studying somewhat different issues and has valid perspectives and does solid research. Your statement shows a basis lack of understanding of the broad field of psychology.

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I think that cognitive dissonance is a brilliant concept. It's too bad discovering it didn't bring Leon Festinger any lasting satisfaction.

I was both a subject and experimenter in a repeat of the Asch conformity experiment during the 1950s. My father and siblings worked as psychologists, but I work in IT.

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There's a lot of news about studies with unreplicable results, & all you have to do is read about studies such as the Rat Park experiment (& its predecessor) to see that bias has always been a factor, but... as more studies are done, with larger data sets, stronger methods & better technology, it will improve.

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I don't believe in it at all. It doesn't work, yet people continue pretending that it does.

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