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What made you athiest? Also how do you feel about religious people?
One thing I always wonder is can someone be incredibly intelligent and religious. To me there is a dividing point.

Kingtomthebomb 4 July 8

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What made me an atheist is ironically... creationists. Back when I first came across them while doing school work back in High School I was smart enough to be able to see how bad their arguments were. After that I got curious and googled it, and eventually found Aron Ra's Fundamental Falsehoods of Creationism series, and from there Darkmatter2525. It got me thinking, and looking for answers. 3 years later, I officially deconverted.

I feel most religious people are simply victims of childhood indoctrination. Such ingrained beliefs are not easy to shake. I'm quite a rational individual and it still took me 3 years to sort it all out. The only religious people I have a problem with are those that willfully deceive others to spread it, or to harm others.

Aronra is fuking great man sorry that's as far as I got yet I had to comment that.

Yes I see what your saying but its almost logic. What should be to me a basic human function to question life and our beliefs.. As a kid for me to belive something it has to pass a series of test in my head and, almost nothing is indefinite fact so I hold on to almost no belief other then the sure fact that god does not exist on the level that we conceive . I do belive in the possibility of a higher dimensional being.. Meaning that there is something that possibly lives in a 10th dimension and it could interfere with ours. I think paranormal experiences are different dimensions merging.. Its hard to explain and im no scientist and English was always my worse class so typing or writing isnt my strong suit im more of a talker lol..

@Kingtomthebomb Well, mate for what it is worth,I think you gave a very passionate and expressive post. I'd rather read your enthusiasm than a dry 500 word discourseπŸ™‚

@Geoffrey51 thanks man much appreciated.

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What made me an athiest? I'd say the lack of any evidence of a god and religion's denial of evolution.

How do I feel about religious people? They are like anyone else. Either they are kind or complete assholes.

Can someone be incredibly intelligent and religious? Let me know when you find someone like that.

Totally agree

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Easy for me: Mom is a secular humanist and Dad is agnostic. As a child, I found my friends’ theism akin to believing in Santa Claus, and yet some
of them were quite bright. It has always baffled me.

UUNJ Level 8 July 8, 2018

Lucky woman u are to grow up around such intellect people lol.. My family was business smart not science.. And Ofcorse science rules

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By incredibly intelligent I would think you mean the top 2 percentile or would you narrow it down to the top 1%, 2% being exceptional but 1% being incredible? I think it is harder to be religious if you are intelligent because religion is full of illogical contradictions but the critical deciding factor in believing in a religion is the amount of gullibility and delusional tendencies a person has but certainly being stupid would be a real asset for being a believer.
I'm not gullible or delusional and I am in the top 2 percentile so being an Atheist was a simple matter of rejecting the religious dogma my parents and society had tried to program me with since birth, I did that at 13 years of age because the holy book my family used said I could freely choose at that age.
As for my feelings towards religious people, it's about the same as I feel towards any stupid person who is clearly delusional, about the same way I feel towards a rabid animal in the woods.

certainly being stupid would be a real asset for being a believer. I'm laughing hard

Im fuking dying.. Lol. Me too but I'm surrounded by religion my girl and her family!! Fuck atleast she has a fat ass lol JKJK.

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1: I found contradictions between religious teachings and reality. Decided reality was better then make-believe.

2: I generally feel pity for the religious as they are wasting financial, emotional, and time resources on a system that falsely promotes faith (belief without evidence) as a methodology to determine truth (things that can be demonstrated with evidence). I also share a great deal of lack of respect for the religious as they are generally the ones how make decisions without recognizing the importance of facts over faith in decisions including political, economical, and environmental as many fail to recognize the superiority of science over fiction in making informed decisions, may lead us (civilization) to an less then optimal outcome.

3: Depends on how you define "intelligent" A person could be very "book smart" but ignorant in the ability to recognize truth from fiction.

This is exactly how I feel man im so glad to have found a community of like minded people and it just clairifys every thing I already knew was true thanks.

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God told me to do it πŸ˜‰ It probably makes more sense to not judge intelligence as a linear scale, it comes in many varieties. We're all geniuses in some respects and stupid in others.

Salo Level 7 July 8, 2018

I respect that

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When i was kid I loved to watch science shows. Even though my parents were christian and i had to go to church every sunday, religious explanations always seemed made up. I was 15 when i came to the conclusion that science done a much better job explaining the world. If god existed it would be easy for him to prove his existence to the world.

So true about the god playing hide and seek thing.. Kinda dumb almost immature.. Like its fundamental knowledge to know whether or not there's a God. Youd think if there was one he would make it known... Just once.. Like to every one..

@Kingtomthebomb I think the Christians may say that he did. What I don't get is why, if it fucked up last time, why do it again. If on the second coming (bearing in mind we may have missed up) it goes tits up will there be a third attempt and so on ad nauseum...Bearing in mind Judaism is still waiting for the first one!

@Geoffrey51 im lost..

@Geoffrey51 what would it mean to you for all religions and beliefs to reach a singularity.

@Kingtomthebomb Sorry Jesus was supposed to be God (much theological debate around that and quite dull so just take my word for it.) Jesus is also supposed to be the Messiah that the Jews are waiting for according to the Christians, but the Jews don't accept that. He was to them another apocalyptic prophet causing trouble. Jesus is supposed to be coming back at some point, according to s lot of the different Christian theologies around now. This is the Second Coming. My question to some evangelical Christians is perhaps you missed him. He's been and gone. It was a rhetorical question that if they missed the second coming would there be s third or fourth etc. until the Christians got it. Let me if you need anything else on that

@Kingtomthebomb thst would be great but the problem is not with the religions it is the practitioners. There is no reason for different religions not to exist. Each simply has a different method, suiting culture, class, history etc. for moving toward individual understanding of their place in the scheme of things. This could also be called enlightenment or self-actualisation.

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The fact that I haven't seen anything (aka no evidence of God) is the main reason. Going back, my father was an atheist too - only I didn't find out about it 6 years after his death. He always taught me to speak the truth, help anyone who's in need, use my mind over my emotions, respect anyone and everyone regardless of the circumstances (now there are some I cannot respect - like the wigged orange.. anyway..) He also taught me that no human was greater than another - and that I should show mercy/understanding to those who even try to harm me. He never tried to influence me over religion (or atheism in his case), but never turned away my requests due to my curiosity "Take me to the mosque, take me to church..." There was a time I got lost after I lost him, I was only 14 - I wanted to believe there was "something" out there and that there was an afterlife. I wanted to believe my dad was no longer in pain (which he isn't - but it's not groupie with virgins either) , at the same time having to face too many bs at a very young age - I started to drift away from the idea of "a greater power". I was never "religious" but I always have been curious. Even today - I will enjoy discussing (in the most gentle way possible) to find out more, to understand how others think.. Without going into so many details - within 17 years, I now joke "I'm 99% atheist, 1% agnostic" I can never know anything for sure - after all I'm just a human with a little over of an average IQ - but instead of praying for miracle, I choose to take action and get sh!t done.

How I feel religious people? Honestly they don't bother me. I don't hate them, I don't hate anyone. I am and always will be an advocate for love and respect. As much as any religious story is just batshit crazy made up stuff for me - but if someone I love finds comfort in believing such thing - they can have it their way. As long as those people around me accept me for who I am, I will do the same. I just don't have tolerance for those who assume they're the best (aka they worship god and are pure as.... I don't know what's pure in this world anymore..) and I'm a horrible "devil-worshiper merciless piece of sh!t" just because I don't believe in what they do.

The other day I met with a new friend I met on the FB page of Atheists Union Dallas - she had the perfect example. I recently had friends who drifted away from me because I told them I was an atheist. The reaction I got was "BUT HOW COME!!! HOW CAN THAT BE?? YOU HAVE SO MUCH LOVE IN YOUR HEART!?" - it sounds more like "You don't like Brussels sprout? Well then, I can no longer be your friend!" πŸ™‚ same thing.

I won't argue about what's real and what's not... Our life span is too short to break hearts (or minds?)

Intelligence and religion... I don't know. I'm too much of a mamabear persona and if I could - I'd go give a hug and show love to everyone on earth. Therefore I don't want to say such thing as "only idiots believe in religion". I mean I have friends who I can openly discuss religion (and mind you, these are friends that go to church every Sunday etc) and we are on the same page about showing mutual love and respect, regardless if you believe in something or not, regardless of your ethnicity, sexual preference, background, insert any man made label here as well as discuss science/philosophy. So I guess it can go together?

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I swear I came out of my mama an atheist

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All the hypocrisy and lies put me off religion + the fact that I could never understand why someone who is professing himself to be so great and powerful needs to be worshiped.

Just because you are intelligent doesn't mean that you have any common sense, you can still be like a horse with blinkers.

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(1) The lies and magical stories I was told in Sunday School didn't make it past my truth test. I wanted to see evidence of how someone nailed to a cross can float away. I asked questions they couldn't answer. Told me I had to believe those stories without proof. That seemed stupid to me. This was the start of taking the title of Athiest.

(2) I feel uncomfortable with religious people that get in my face and try to change me. I don't get involved with them very often.

(3) I don't know how someone can be high IQ and religious. Why would they believe lies?

In answer to your number 3 question, my view is that truly intelligent people, especially the emotionally intelligent ones, also appreciate their ignorance (non-judgemental), accepting that there's much that they don't know while keeping open minds to future conclusions including epiphanies. So faith can make them believe in a God, just like some have faith that there is no God. LLOL

Your 1 and 2 are statements I could have written myself. Glad to know I wasn't the only one who questioned the stories taught (for me it was the nuns at my weekly catechism.) I could not reconcile these weird stories in my head as truths.

Your 3 statement/question, I have thought about and have come to the conclusion that some highly intelligent folks see their religion for what it is, not to be believed in as literal truth, but to adopt a believing attitude with the goal of getting along with members of the same faith as a unifying agent to advance agendas.

Smart politicians, for example, realize that the majority of their constituents are religious, so it behooves them to display a believing attitude, as it makes them more likeable to their majority.

This strategy only works if the majority of the society respect their religion. We are seeing a drifting away from that, with the rise of the nones, so in a generation or two, I think belief in supernatural religions will not appear to be so respect-worthy, with such a lack of scientific backing for such beliefs.

@Julie808 Thank you Julie for expanding my words in answering that question. You write and think very eloquently. I really should stay away from this Philosophy group, as I'm not worthy.

@sweetcharlotte I think your post was also clear and eloquent. I just can't help adding my two cents to further the discussion. Please continue adding your comments. I think you have a lot to offer to our understanding answers to questions we all have.

I was gonna comment but I think you two covered everything lol

@Julie808 but to adopt a believing attitude with the goal of getting along with members of the same faith as a unifying agent to advance agendas. Well said that is pretty much the issue here lol

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I consider myself reasonably inelligent. Maybe I'm not. I bought a house just before a very predictable crash, ignoring sound advice not to do so. I have also struggled with addiction - an insult to my intelligence. Smart people are not immune to believing what they want to believe and shutting out contradictory voices.When skeptics act smug and superior, their valid points turn into white noise. I suggest practically noone has led life without harbouring some delusion.

I've always considered myself smart, partially because i seemed to make fewer errors in judgement and had became less susceptible to misleading myself as i moved into my 60s. After a successful 15 year career, 2006 was to be my last year of working full time and i was planning to smoothly transition into my next profession.

But as happens when the best laid plans of mice and men go awry, I learned another lesson after trusting in the competency of my financial adviser. Ironically, the year after i closed my offices, I was financially gutted by the crash in 2007.

The disaster however was a gift and opportunity in disguise. The lesson was not about trusting others for me, the lesson was to be who i needed to be even when life handed me a curve ball. It was not a new lesson, but a not so gentle reminder that the only constant in the universe is change, and we can rarely if ever control whether we're affected by change, and can only manage the consequences more or less effectively. And that management was more emotional than logistical.

So here i am 11 years later, having grieved my losses, let go my previous expectations, then transitioning into the life of my new dreams. And when people ask me, "how are you," my truthful answer is "never better."

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Being an Atheist I always tell people when they start spouting religion at me. I fully believe people have the right to follow whatever brings them inner peace as long as it causes no harm. I have been told several times by the "religiously enlightened" that I am going to Hell which is moronic since I don't believe in God ergo I don't believe in Satan.

Lanx Level 4 July 8, 2018
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First of all let me say that i have met a number of extremely intelligent and enlightened religious people. Among these were a number of Jesuits and two Rabbis. And those were just the people who identified that they were believers, so it could be that there are many more such religious, cognitively intelligent, and emotionally intelligent people. "No one size fits all" is the human reality.

As for why i became whatever i am, rejecting all forms of organised religion, my parents were Holocaust survivors who, after arriving in Canada in 1948, changed their stated religion to Protestant. Like some other Holocaust survivors, they did so ostensibly to protect me from the next Holocaust.

But the obvious contradictions i saw in the fact that all my relatives were practising Jews while i was told that we weren't motivated me to develop my own spiritual context and foundation. A perspective which has also evolved over the past 50 years.

Oh, by the way, i am not an atheist, merely a student and agnostic who is awed by the genius i see manifested every day in our world and universe. I will also forever be curious about what i'm observing.

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If they are very intelligent and religious, then they are really good at rationalizing their beliefs. Either that or they stop thinking when it comes to religion.

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My Awakening to the inadequacy of religious Dogma as a way of understanding the world occurred around the age of 11. At that age I began to notice the ignorance of the natural world my parents possessed, and how their world view was wholy dependent upon argumentd from authority and adherence to cultural norms. No true insgight on the natue of our reality can be gained when shacked by our mind-forged manicales, we must be free to question everything guided by our logic, the only tool humans posses to extract deeper understanding. Religious Scientists/intellectuals can be understood as people who have compartmentalized rationality from religiosity as a necessity to maintain their passion for intellectual pursuit, while maintaining the social acceptance from their community

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