I can only say I'd need to see their data.

A theoretical mathematician proved (air quotes) that 4 1/2 billion years was not enough time for evolution (something related to the half life of uranium 235?). He believed that cosmic spermogenesis was more likely. Organic matter was blasted away from life bearing worlds during supernovas? Aliens seeding the Earth? Dunno.

Oops. I forgot to mention evolution, which also isn't found anywhere in the bible. Somehow not it's possible to accept that as part of the grand design as well, because God started the process when Adam and Eve . . . No, that can't be right. He created animals because Adam didn't have a proper mate, and trotted them out to see if any of them would tempt the dear boy. So much for natural selection and the reality of genetics, but that's okay, because it was still God no matter what, and that sound is another baloney wagon hitting the bottom of the canyon.

There isn't one word in Genesis (or anywhere else) that talks about a vast cosmos filled with billions of galaxies. The way the story is presented, the earth is stationary, the moon and the sun both give off their own light, and are as close as the underside of the firmament. The stars are only twinkling lights that could easily fall to the ground. God (actually the gods) live just above the dome, which is why they once worried about a tower tall enough to reach heaven. Yet to listen to some believers, God has grown so immense and overarching that he fills the cosmos, initiated the Big Bang, created the incredible complexities of space and time, and lately has been dabbling in quantum physics and string theory and other wonders. The reason he didn't mention it a few thousand years ago was that the dolts writing down his instructions wouldn't have understood any of it, and would have been boggled by the true size of solar system, and that's where another spot where the baloney wagon falls off a cliff.

Well absolute BS from the get go. Given the god they talk about only created the world 6000 years ago, any god created by man was not there at the beginning of life on Earth.

Most members of the Presbyterian Church (USA) don't take the Bible to be literally true across the board. Therefore such mainstream Presbyterians don't take issue with the findings of science about evolution and the origins of the solar system and the universe. For them the Genesis creation stories are just metaphorical. I would rather live with Christians who understand and accept how science works than live with those who reject it. In reality, of course, both sorts of Christians exist in nearly every denomination, but the mix varies.

It is important to understand that the statement above issued by the General Assembly of the PC(USA) is a statement of doctrinal consensus by those ministers and elders sent as delegates from their regional presbyteries across the country. Although public, its primary audience isn't those of us outside the church but those inside.

Why does this matter? Because some here in this thread are responding to it as if it is a claim of proof of God's existence to the rest of us when its intent is merely to assert that the PC(USA) accepts evolution - and thus sets itself apart from those denominations which reject it.

Note: I used to belong to the PC(USA), was extremely active as a teen and young adult, and served as Youth Advisory Delegate from my presbytery to the General Assembly in 1987. My father was a minister whose career included working at every level of the PC(USA).

If you’re not a biblical literalist (as many denominations aren’t), there is no conflict. Religion has a fluidity that allows beliefs to be adapted to current circumstances. You can massage your interpretations to fit current scientific thinking without having to give up core beliefs. No theory of human origins precludes the possibly that God guided the process. For some people the probability doesn’t enter the equation.

I think that statement is false.

Of course there isnt. You can make anything into anything once it is not grounded in the physical world. Same is true for fiction. I could buy up the rights to superman and make him lose his powers and become sushi chief in Italy. Anything the human mind makes is malleable. Only things that lead to a contradiction are forbidden but even then I could get around that by just saying it is undefined for that situation.

If I wanted I could say "you can't be a god believer and agree with the theory of evolution" or I could say "you can be a god believer and agree".

Just typical apologist trash with nothing to substantiate the claim. They just want to make religion and science a compatible world view without doing any of the leg work on their side to prove god exists, AND that he facilitated creation.

They're just using the fallacy of the first mover among others.