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Has anyone else had a religious friend ask where your sense of morality comes from? Didn’t really know what to say except that I enjoy making people feel good. Treat people as you want to be treated. That’s psych 101 to me...

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Yes, I have been asked by religious friends where my sense of morality comes from. My response is: It comes from my own sense of well being. What I find interesting about them asking me that question though, about morality is, when I ask them to define what they mean when they say morality, they haven't got a clue about what they are asking me. So, on a question such as this, I want to make sure about what they are actually asking me before I can even begin to answer their question. And, most of the time, they haven't got a clue what they are asking. I can also tell them that if their morality comes from authority, pronouncements and threats of punishments, and eternal torture in hellfire, then they themselves, have no morality or sense of morality, because what if they decide like we atheist that all these threats are not real? Will they they go around killing, raping and stealing? I have actually become more moral since I no longer believe in such religious, nonsense. I have become kinder and more sympathetic toward my fellow being, and even kinder to animals since I left religion behind.

Speakeasy Level 4 Oct 17, 2018
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I actually believe that morality existed before the Bible, before we developed written communication. It's a bit backwards. People think morality comes from the Bible, when morality always existed... People just wrote it down.

I totally agree. Morality has been as long as living organisms have been around. Religious morality is not morality at all. They are nothing but pronouncements. If the religions' god says killing innocent men, women, children and animals and rape is moral, then it is moral.

I must also include the immorality has been around as long as organisms has been around as well, and morality is an on-going learning process as oppose to authoritative pronouncements.

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When I walked away from church and religion, I had one of the elder's wife call me up to get me back in. At one point, she argued that christianity is great is wonderful b/c w/o it we wouldn't have all the medical hospitals (Babtist Memorial, lebonheur methodist, etc.) I asked her how all the people in China and India have gotten medical care if only christianity is responsible for caring and compassion towards others. All I got in response was <crickets>

jondspen Level 7 Oct 17, 2018
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Well i only started treating women better after i left the religion coz religion taught me that they are not equal human being. So my morality definitely didn’t came from religion.

naastikal Level 2 Oct 13, 2018
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Matt Dillahunty has the best reply I've seen to that question. I would destroy it trying to repeat it off memory but u can watch him on YouTube. Basically it is a rational justification that actions not only affect others but also sets the stage of how others will treat u.

jorj Level 8 Oct 13, 2018
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I have had the bad misfortune in life to have sat by several death beds, and the only thing that I can think of that will bring any comfort as you lie there staring at the ceiling, is the thought that you have done your best for everyone else. That's where my morality comes from.

Fernapple Level 8 Oct 13, 2018
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yes and no. I've never had someone who remained a friend after the discussion ask me this.

I know that some religious people ask this with sincere intent, but I've never met them, and the moment the conversation drifted to "but you can't REALLY be moral" those people stopped being my friend.

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Confucius. He wrote the first laws 500 years before Christ.

djpaynesr Level 3 Sep 24, 2018
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Your morality comes from the same place as most people. The idea that morality comes from religion is silly. The christian bible is fine with infanticide, slavery, genocide, female subservience and a host of other things almost no one today is ok with. We have our morality as a human trait, not a religious "gift". They have morality in spite of religion.

ThisGuy Level 6 Sep 22, 2018
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Empathy existed before religion, it's a part of human evolution. That simple

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I think that is one of the most common concerns religious people have about the non-religious: they conflate belief in the supernatural with morality.

My kid’s response is, “imagine you are babysitting a child. Do you want to hurt or abuse the child? Is that because your religion tells you not to? Chances are you wouldn’t want to hurt a child whether or not you have any religion. Well...that’s how I feel about all morality.”

Morality (or lack of it) exists before people attach religious ideas to it. And it will exist after the supernatural speculation dies away.

KitKight Level 2 Sep 21, 2018
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I have learned not to discuss anything with religious people

Sharpsoil Level 4 Sep 21, 2018
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No but if I did I'd have some fun with them, fake them into thinking I had done all sorts of horrific things and had no idea whats wrong with it before asking wtf is wrong with them and telling them they need Jesus ? Then I guess I'd have to explain mirror neurons, the biological imperative for empathetic nerve systems, the undeniable benefits of the golden rule and how christianity didn't invent compassion, etc. It'll be a long night but at least it started with a laugh.

Wurlitzer Level 8 Sep 20, 2018
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My sense of morality comes from how I was raised (religion-free) and from myself.

IAMGROOT Level 7 Sep 20, 2018
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nobody knows I am agnostic.......so nope......

vmedel Level 6 Sep 20, 2018
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I would ask them where they find morality in a bible that is so full of immoral actions justified and sanctioned by an immoral god.

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I tell them I got mine half off from the frozen beef pies section at Boney's Market. It takes them enough time to process the answer to allow my escape.

Byrdsfan Level 8 Sep 20, 2018
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