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On a first date:

Should you be honest on a first date or pretend you are what you think the other person may be wanting so you can have a relationship?

Should you ask questions you want answered or play the game until you get what you came for?

Should you ask questions whose answers are important to you about money sex religion politics?

Anonbene 8 Jan 31
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You can't manipulate or obfuscate your way into a quality relationship. Be honest, be kind, and see how it goes.

I think you meant "can't".

Ha! I certainly did <derp>

Kinda thought so!

Otherwise, you would be a xtian!!!

It happens every day all the time. It's what the entire multi billing dollar makeup and fashion industry is made from.

@phxbillcee

Don't hold back GM, I'm down. 🙂

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Be honest. Life is just too short.

If someone says flat out,"I need a bible-thumpin' , Trump lovin', baby producin' machine.."
Just run. Your future breakup is not worth the years you will spend figuring it out.

I think that's the first time I've really laughed out loud today. Thanks!

What if I asked you something a good deal simpler like, would you mind going to the bathroom and washing your makeup off so I can see the real you and then show me your credit card statement so I can see what priorities you spend your money on?

Hahaha, nice.
Well said.

@Anonbene Depends on if you are joking or not....

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Be honest, all the time. No pretending anything. Why on Earth would you want to pretend to be anything for someone else, if that anything isn't who you really are? That makes NO sense and WILL come back to bite you square in the ass later on. Do not misrepresent yourself, under any circumstances. No game playing. It's immature, and if you're just playing the game "until you get what you came for", you're not only dishonest, you're an asshole.
You ask the questions that are important to you. About anything. Don't be a schmuck.

I wish there was a "love" button. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Do you pretend to be someone different at your mother's dinner table than you do at The Do Drop In?

@Indubitably Thank you. I have my moments. They're brief and exhausting.

@Anonbene ?????

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I am honest, I am who I am and what I am. I'm too old to play games. I don't want to waste time cultivating a relationship with false pretenses. I ask questions I want answered, and I ask about the important stuff. Usually I will know most of the important stuff before we meet in person.

This is why you are so awesome!

@KKGator Thank you!

Yes, but will he?

@Anonbene not sure of the context of your question.

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You should absolutely be honest. To be frank, if someone is so insecure that pretending to be someone they are not, is preferential to being single, they have no business looking for a relationship with anybody but a therapist.

I agree 100%.

Are you saying women should show up without makeup and men should have their credit ratings handy?

@Anonbene I didn't say anything. What I wrote was "You should absolutely be honest. To be frank, if someone is so insecure that pretending to be someone they are not, is preferential to being single, they have no business looking for a relationship with anybody but a therapist."

If you have a socio-political viewpoint around men, women, and gender roles that you want to express, please start a new post thread, and share it with us.

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Be yourself!
"Play the game until you get what you came for?" .... what did you come for?? No games!
Yes, ask questions that are deal breakers. Depending on the situation, I probably would have already asked those questions, even before meeting.

I like to see that stuff in conversation off the top of their dome.

You can talk to people for hours on the net and not learn a gddamn thing.

I put that in for women to reflect on.
Did you come here for a baby, child support, financial security, and are you simply omitting that from this conversation until you get what you want. It's not lying but it's not being honest is it? Would you like to tell those of us gathered here some women don't do that?

@anonbene, both men & women can and do "play games, but not all. In answer to your original question, there should be no games.

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Honest. Be your true self. I don't have time or energy or patience for anything less

Sacha Level 7 Jan 31, 2018

Sacha, may I see your credit history? Would you tell me your sexual history? Would you mind washing your makeup off so I can see the real you?

@evestrat You also get to make out with me... but shhhhhhhh secret 😉 You look hot with that note pad! 😀

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Ok, most of you got this one very wrong. I am surprised by a lot of your answers.

I didn't ask you what you think I should do. I asked what you would do. Just like a christian does you projected your holier than thou morals on to me as if I were the person in need of your red line drawn in the sand of right and wrong with almost no thought to the very gray area of nuanced communication between two complicated people that may have ulterior motives to keep some aspects of their lives confidential for a reason that isn't an outright lie but is still dishonest by omission.
He may have restricted drivers license due to heavy drinking or a restraining order out against him and she may have a kid she's not sure you would be willing to take the responsibility for.

Being judgemental seems to be a trait most of you have in common with people you claim to dislike for their judgementalism.

You, sir, are a hypocrite. You judged most of the people who responded to your post.
Most of the responses encouraged honesty. There's nothing wrong with that.

@KKGator of course I judged you based on your answers. Isn't that the point of asking questions and getting answers?
Which is very different from judging me based on the question.

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Are you serious? The answers to your questions are no, no, and yes.

Let me ask you a few more questions.

Do you want a relationship based on lies and bullshit? If so, pretend.

And, "play the game until you get what you came for?". If all you want is to manipulate people into having shallow sex with you, then pretend.

Now switch places with a woman and
change that position. Do some women have different attitudes and actions towards sex before and after marriage? Which category would that fit into? A lie, a miscommunication, an omission, a subterfuge, a ploy or simply an instant change of mind?

@Anonbene Definitely, I've experienced it myself. That would fit into categories 1 and 2. Combination of lies, omissions, and subterfuge (which is more or less the same as a ploy).

But that still doesn't excuse the behavior for anyone of any sex.

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In my opinion, it's better to be honest.
Because what you say can easily come back and bite you in the ass.
Why waste so much energy in being something you're not?

So it's ok to ask a woman why she wears makeup and hides her credit card bills?

@Anonbene I can imagine why questions like those would ever come into play on a first date.
Haha, sure why not? Can't guarantee the outcome will be good.

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My memory is pretty good, but not good enough to try to remember a litany of lies. Besides, lying is just not in my nature. No, don't "pretend" to be something or someone you're not. Unless the cops are looking for you.

Im not talking about lying. I'm talking about the dishonesty of omission and concealment. Hiding your short comings until some emotional hook gets set.

@Anonbene imho, being dishonest, misrepresenting yourself, being pretentious, and intentionally omitting personal information because you think it will lessen your chances of "hooking up" with someone, are all forms of lying. If you don't agree, that's OK. We're all here to express ourselves and our opinions, right?

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I am 67 and divorced after 30 yrs. Hitting the dating scene recently from dating sites, I make it a point to tell the truth , be open and straight from the go. I'm burnt out from marriage to try and create a false profile I most likely wouldn't recall. It's really a lot easier to date be honest, your at ease with yourself and can let your personality shine thru. If it doesn't work out now then it never would have worked out making up stories.

Kind of in the same boat as you Buzz. Widower of 12 years here.

I'm not talking about making up a false persona. I'm talking about hiding your debt by omission or that you're a furry.

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  1. Absolutely not.
  2. Play what game?
  3. On a first date, not like an inquisition. If things naturally come up, sure talk about it.

For me, believe/non-believe and voted republican or not will ALWAYS come up prior to a first date. My new rule for MY life.

Why did you have to make up a NEW rule?

If it was an only date I would agree but I said first date which means there are certain conditions I'll reject if there is ever going to be a second date.

@Anonbene The reason I made up a new rule for me is that I just recently got out of a long-term relationship with a believer. I have decided, for me, that I will never date, much less be in a relationship with, somebody who believes in anything supernatural.

So, when I meet somebody who might be a potential date or partner, whether that is in person or online, my goal is to find a way to casually or naturally, through conversation, find out whether they believe in anything supernatural. If they do, the subject of a date probably will not even come up and if it does, I would not be interested.

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I think you should be honest, but you don't have to trot out your whole history right away (unless directly asked, then don't lie). Many of your questions will be answered, even if not in detail as the date progresses, so no need to push right away. Just be honest & be yourself.

So be honest but not too honest?

No, be honest, but you don't have to give a full autobiography & treatise on every subject on the first date. The point of a date, especially a first date, is to have fun, not spout soliloquies.

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Be honest. Look for common ground whatever it may be, and save the heavy stuff (MSRP) for 3rd or 4th. If you want to treat a date like a job interview, you should ask for a dating resume in advance to save yourself time.

I prefer asking those exact questions to find common ground.

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Honesty is the best policy. A relationship founded on lies will be bound for failure. Besides lying takes energy and requires you to remember every thing you said untruthfully. The truth is just easier.

Why did you immediately jump to lying? There are plenty of ways to be dishonest without lying. Would you hide omit or change the subject if she brought up your terrible driving record? Credit rating?

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Shouldn't/couldn't most of those issues be resolved,at least to go/np-go level, before you have that first date?

It's more difficult to shade the truth in person.

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You should never pretend to be something you aren't. That can get you viewed as dishonest if it comes out later.

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Damn - you're a boomer too - I would hope you'd have the answers to these ...

If one chooses to be a game player, they're likely to turn off just about any sincere person out there.

Every combination of people is a whole new pairing. How the interaction goes will be different for different people, depending on what's important to them, and what they seek from the potential relationship. Then - what level are they hoping to take it ? Lots of variations out there !

I do have answers to these. I was just wondering what the folks here thought.

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play the game until you got what you came for? ? a date for me would be getting to know someone. I would never try to act like something I thought they wanted. How would I even know what that was?

You know the difference between being on your best behavior vs. drinking with your buddies don't you?

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You should always be honest. Frankly, I'm tired of the catatonic autopilot that everyone seems to constantly be on. I want the real, dirty, fucked up truth about people to see if their demons will play well with mine.

Probably why I'm single.

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Ever heard that saying, "Honesty is the best policy?" Well, it really is.

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Honesty. Suppose you "play the game" and "get what you came for" but then later, you get fond out... awful situation. In my youth I was a pig, but an honest pig.

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Great questions. I think one of the key elements is it's a first date. I wouldn't want to be dishonest but I certainly wouldn't bring up things that are related to baggage ,past mistakes, unless the conversation goes there because the other person is bringing up some really personal stuff. I have found people to be very open when I'm very open. That said just don't bring up that you shot grandma or that used to turn tricks for money.

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1st date I would keep it light.

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