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The Abrahamic god is a study in self-inflicted wounds and blame-shifting his personal problems onto, not just others, but others he supposedly created and is responsible for / to based on his own claims to being a parent-figure.

Of course beyond all that, it begs the question why god didn't simply create what he wanted to begin with. No need for this baroque "plan of salvation" and even if he went that route, no need for primitive "substitutionary atonement" concepts. He makes the universe, much less the rules, so he can simply declare everyone forgiven and make everyone sinlessly perfect, retroactively if he somehow couldn't do it proactively. By personal fiat.

Fundamentalism always turns this into a referendum on free will, which makes god a pathetically needy figure, yearning for us to "freely" love him, yet always stood up and humiliated at the prom, and needing to pull a "Carrie" on everyone in retribution. (Come to think of it I wonder if that wasn't what King had in mind when he wrote Carrie).

At any rate ... somehow free will is no problem in the Christian afterlife, where no one can sin if they try. They should all kill themselves immediately, and finally rid themselves of the stain of sin, and be reconciled fully to god.

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Yup..that sums up the logic of the Christian religion.

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Sounds about right and proves , just by its convolutedness, that is is man - made. ( I declare "convolutedness" a word by the power granted to me by my English teacher, Frau Schwarting)

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A temporary sacrifice.

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Theologically incorrect. "It's like this: I created man and woman with FREE WILL." No theologian would ever accept that God created man and woman WITH original sin. Original sin comes with Adam's choice. The rest is clearly a rehash of the statements of Michael Shermer and others, with whom I agree.

@Matias While Michael Shermer may have some "very nice words" for religion, here's one of his more choice statements, with which I fully identify:

"I have a problem with resurrection. So, you believe that Jesus was son of God and God Incarnate also. Three in one and One in three. A Trinitarian belief. … As I understand it, for us to be saved, God sacrificed Himself, to Himself, to save us, from Himself. This sounds to me incomprehensible, barking mad!"

Barking mad, indeed! That pretty much sums up the doctrine behind Christianity, and my admiration of Michael Shermer.

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