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OK, we are all mature adults. We should, at a minimum, be able to consider the merits of an idea even though it makes us feel uncomfortable. This is agnostic.com, after all.

Basic physics tells us that a thin walled aluminum structure can not cut through a steel and concrete structure. So, why do so many Americans believe that an aluminum aircraft cut through the steel and concrete exterior wall of the world trade center with no wreckage left on the outside of the building?

A couple of suggestions to help keep this conversation from spinning out of control...

  1. Please refrain from using the word conspiracy. It is bullying and inflammatory.

  2. Keep the discussion focused on this specific issue...the fact that there are dozens of video recordings that show a commercial airliner cutting through steel and concrete and completely disappearing into the world trade center building.

Why have this discussion? The events of 9/11 continue to fuel hatred and intolerance of others.

Let's start a respectful dialog that we hope can be the thread that unravels the misconceptions around one of the most significant events in our lifetime and the history of the US.

gregoryL 5 Nov 12
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Basic physics tells us that a thin plastic sphere (ping pong ball) can not cut through a wooden structure (paddle). So why did many Americans watching Mythbusters (or Jimmy Fallon) believe that such can happen without leaving any debris on the outside of the paddle.

The trouble with "basic" physics is that the collision of a fast moving aircraft with a relatively thin walled (and lots of open space on the interior) building is anything but basic. It can't be modeled using the static solid body physics of "basic" physics. That is why the NIST (and others) need to use complex dynamic models to understand the forces and interactions at play. And while it might not make common sense, the events are within the realm of physics.

I expect these videos won't dissuade your position. But it is obvious you don't want a discussion, so I won't respond other than to post this message. Your statement....You would rather be spoon fed some story that gives you some brown person to hate. ... does not suggest you are open to a true discussion.

As a free thinker, I am open to considering the evidence and conclusions based upon the evidence. I also saw the planes strike (albeit on video) the towers and penetrate into them. While there might be discussions about some of the smaller details, I do believe that the planes struck and penetrated the buildings causing their collapse.

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The plane was a projectile, going at amazing speed. Smaller items have penetrated larger items. Explain how pieces of straw have been able to penetrate tree trunks during a tornado or hurricane. You also have to take into account the Twin Towers' structure: [tms.org]

I find it interesting that you have not read any of the other comments. The physics have nothing to do with a smaller item penetrating a larger item. The story of straws penetrating trees is just not true. Read the following article from a legitimate scientific publication. [livescience.com]

@gregoryL Read my link about the structure of the Twin Towers, and it makes more sense. I also read the other posts. I stand by my assertion. You want to argue it's fake, be my guest. I personally know people who were there who saw it happen live -- who were looking at the first tower wondering why it was burning, until they watched a plane slam through the second one.

There are an endless number of articles that attempt to explain how the towers collapsed, None of their explanations hold water. If you want a science based discussion based on eye witness accounts, the video recordings made that day, and the physical evidence gathered at the scene watch this video

This video was made by Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth - www.ae911truth.org. This organization is made up of over 2500 professional engineers, all putting their professional reputation on the line and they have nothing to gain from stating their opinions. My guess is you don't have enough courage to spend an hour and 40 minutes educating yourself on the facts of 9/11. You would rather be spoon fed some story that gives you some brown person to hate.

@bleurowz I apologize, it was inappropriate to impugn your integrity.

@gregoryL Thank you. And no, I don't need to look at any videos, I know all too well what happened.

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It depends on the velocity and mass. A drop of rain traveling at the speed of sound can wreak havoc on what it hits.

You are partially correct. The total mass is not important, but rather the distribution of the mass. The mass of the objects involved and rate at which they collide determines the energy in the collision. Here is what happens when an airplace crashes into a wooden telephone pole.

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Your initial ASSumption, that a plane could not penetrate a building, is just plain wrong. (See excellent comments, above, about arrows, & high winds causing grass to penetrate wood, by Mortal & WilliamFleming.
Everything after that therefore fails.

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Your initial ASSumption, that a plane could not penetrate a building, is just plain wrong. (See excellent commenys, above, about arrow & high winds causing grass to penetrate wood, by Mortal & WilliamFleming.
Everything after that therefore fails.

Your claim of high winds causing grass to penetrate wood is a lie. [livescience.com]

@gregoryL umm, Google it..."tornado" or "hurricane" odd effects, see pix..........actual pix, not silly conjecture....maybe you could Google "silly conjecture" as well. Also, Google basic physics, like "unstoppable force meeting immovable object" physics

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I have no opinions on the subject at hand, but I would like to point out that sometimes after a tornado straws are found to have been driven through trees. Remember also, there was s lot of glass in those buildings.

By all means, let’s not have hatred and intolerance. Especially let’s not blame one fourth of the world’s population for the actions of a few people.

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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Sorry, That is as respectful as I can get.

Hmm. So you think it is perfectly reasonable for a hollow aluminum structure to cut through steel and concrete? ok

Agreed. There are so many flaws with This conspiracy theory you could fly a plane through it.

@gregoryL Those planes way several tons, traveling several hundred miles per hour, hitting what is a mostly glass facade. Figure it out. If I hit that with several trons of Jello at several hundred miles an hour it would go through that glass.

@Sticks48 Here is an image of the towers external steel lattice structure.

@Sticks48 Try again....[livescience.com]

@gregoryL I have been in one of those buildings. Those spaces in the frame were huge.Let it the fuck go. Get a fucking life. Leave me the fuck alone.

@Sticks48 What an expressive vocabulary you have at your disposal. You realize that just because you ignore something it doesn't go away. Do you get this angry with everything in your life that requires thought?

@gregoryL Just ignorant douchebags,like yourself. Since you are not funny or interesting you will be blocked.

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