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If we Atheists and Agnostics are the antidote or solution to a religious world gone crazy, how can we best get the message across in a gentle way?

In other words, what, have you found, is the best way for us to combat organized religion?

Please answer. I really want to hear some great ideas!

Thanks Guys and Gals!

Big Al

Alw314 5 Dec 8
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...live your life with dignity and calmness. I am not a fan of trying to drag people out of their mind-set...this is a gradual process, which takes time and in most cases, never works! Now that I am in charge of myself, I pass and repass with the ‘believers,’ if I am pressured over my beliefs, I let it run...like ‘water off a ducks back!’ I owe these people nothing and they owe me nothing! (Only when I was uncertain what my place in the world was, did I argue with them.)

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Live by example...when people see you are kind and decent and active in your community, it is easier to broach the subject truthfully...however, I feel no need to declare anything or to spread the word...

I don't think of myself as the answer to anything...as people read and hear more they can figure things out themselves and then they can see me out...I am not going to seek out and try to change anybody: they need to change and seem out more information then I can help.

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The first word of your post may really be the operative word. The premise that follows that conjunction assumes that one group of people (a small minority) has the knowledge, the right, and presumably the power to set the majority straight. That doesn’t seem realistic, or maybe even morally tenable.

The second paragraph carries a couple more assumptions that deserve a closer look also. The first is the suggestion of combativeness, which clashes rather starkly with the previous suggestion of gentleness. But the more problematic assumption might be that organized religion is the enemy. Religion, at its historical core, is just people’s effort to transcend the insanity and cruelty in the world, and the fact that those efforts have become more organized over time is not, in itself, a bad thing. Corruption and obsolescence are the real culprits it seems to me. And a realistic and humane response might look more like reform than prohibition.

I agree with Donotbelieve when she says: “We are not the antidote. Education is.”
So I don’t think the answer is for non-believers to “fix” believers. It is important to support public education in general, and to fiercely defend the separation of church and state in particular. But for one individual to presume to teach another individual is more likely to cause entrenchment than conversion.

Sharing ideas is a good thing, I think, as long as mutual respect is maintained, but “I’m here to straighten you out, Bubba” is not going to produce the desired result.

People on all sides of this perceived impasse could benefit from education. The only person it is my right to force an education upon is myself. So my solution is to learn how to stop “otherizing” my fellow human beings, and to constantly look for what we have in common, upon which we might build a heartfelt connection. And to see how people who hold worldviews different from mine might have arrived at those views by some process other than having “gone crazy”.

skado Level 9 Dec 8, 2018

BRAVO!!!

Thanks Everyone! (particularly Skato and DoNot).

I agree with you all on several fronts. No, we can't "Fix" anybody, and I agree it is counter productive even to try that approach.

Just to be clear, I would never want to outlaw a religion or an idea. That is the "Thought police" going crazy, and we all know it doesn't work. You can't coerce a person to believe anything... and it is more likely to be counter productive if you tried that approach (like the Chinese are doing).

But when I said we are the antidote or solution to the "religion problem", I was really referring to the presentation of a rational alternate point of view. I am encouraged by Web sites like this one, and by Atheist Speakers who openly debate religious ideas such as Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins and others. This is what I call doing Philosophical Battle in the public square...attacking bad ideas, not religious people.

I live in the Bible Belt and there is almost a Christian Church on every corner in my city center! And the radio and TV airwaves are filled with people talking about the Bible as if was the ONLY thing that matters.

I'm happy about the sudden rise of Atheism because our culture has been so one-sided for so long. Realize that the end of every presidential speech is the remark, "And God bless the United States of America!" and we have "In God we Trust" on the back of all the police cars in the county, and on all of our money! How could a child growing up in this (our) culture NOT believe in such nonsense when it is so pervasive, and there is no apparent opposition to it?

I think the reason Atheism is increasing all over the world is because of the Internet. Here, people can make inquiries and get real answers for themselves. They can believe what they want, but at least if they "Ask Google" about Atheism or "What is an Agnostic"...they will get as much as they want until they are satisfied (or exhausted!)

Yes Virginia, education is the answer! But what if they don't teach Evolution at your schools because it conflicts with the views of the parents? It takes a strong Principal to stand up to the parents and stand behind a good Biology teacher.

BTW...I had a good High School Bio teacher. His name was Mr. Barnhill, and he welcomed debate in the classroom. I loved that guy! Although we didn't spend a lot of time on Darwin, we did cover evolution, and it was immediately obvious to me that Natural Selection was in direct contradiction to the Biblical account of Genesis.

Big Al

@Alw314
“...attacking bad ideas, not religious people.”

That’s the ticket. Yes, good ideas and good methods need to be modeled in public view. And that’s something today’s technology allows anyone to do.

@powder
Repitition does not teach? That’s news to me. If questioning the teacher or the ideas being taught is forbidden then that is arguably indoctrination. A good teacher will have good answers for those questions and will encourage more questioning. But a good teacher will not let the student set the curriculum. In all teaching, secular or sacred, the material to be learned is the material that will be taught. If the student wants to do extracurricular studies that should be encouraged too. I probably haven’t understood the distinction you’re making.

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From some of the Polls that I have read (Scientific America, Gallup and others) the number of Atheist, Non-Religious and Spiritual with no religious affiliation is on the rise. Millennials are actually the largest of this group percentage wise. So assuming that such polling is reflective of the population then we are heading the right direction. I agree with Donortbelie that education is the answer and the better a society is the more likely they are to reject religion all together. As for myself when I’m asked if I’m religious I’m up front about it. I project the being an Atheist is normal and I don’t hide it. I let them know that they are free to believe as they would believe but as for me the evidence that the Christian or any other holly book of a “god” or “gods” falls shout of logic, historical and scientific facts.

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I don't believe people just give up on their beliefs, those beliefs remain as long as believers live. The only way to get rid of religion is to educate and reduce the number of religious people with each successive generation. It's going to be a long process.

JimG Level 8 Dec 8, 2018
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I have always found the brutal truth to be much more effective than pussy footing around with it. After all, madness does not respond well to much else.

THHA Level 7 Dec 8, 2018
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