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This evening at dusk and in heavy rain a person was driving a black car without their headlights on and was barely visible. I think all cars should have their lights on at all times and should have a total vehicle inspection at least every two years!.

Marine 8 Jan 2
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No thanks for the ‘all-time-on’ headlight ‘requirement.’ (as described in a comment below).

Regarding state inspection, it’s new to me.. So is paying a yearly ‘property tax’ on our vehicles. But the two appear connected, because, if you drive a beater, it’s value is low - thus you pay far less ‘property tax’ on it. But, beater’s are prone to mechanical defects due to age; and if the owners were not required by law to have them inspected yearly, many would be too dangerous to be on the roads…

Varn Level 8 Jan 2, 2019
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There is no required inspection in Wisconsin. It seems that on highways or freeways and rural roads most people drive with their lights on, not so much on city streets.

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Many cars default to headlights on or automatic. My 2007 Volvo does that and I don't override it. My 2012 Prius does not however and I have to remember to turn them on.

Here in NY state we have mandatory inspection annually. There's a small fee connected to it, as well as a large fine if you get ticketed for not doing it. Many inspection stations don't charge senior citizens, although I'm not sure if the practice is universal; I just know that a friend who is over 80 doesn't get charged.

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My wife and I often sit by the window of our favourite watering hole and watch the traffic go by as we have a few beers. What we have noticed over the last several years is that there has been a very pronounced change in car colours. Where once people seemed to prefer bright colours, now shades of grey are the norm.

There's been a similar shift here. Red was by far the most popular for decades, but now it seems to be silver.

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Sometimes people forget, which is not good but it happens.

That is why it should be automatic

@Marine You mean that the car should have some kind of device that would switch it on as soon as dusk starts?

@Jolanta No they need some kind of lights on all the time.It does make a difference.

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Government required Vehicle inspection is not free in most states. Therefore, it amounts to a regressive tax (burden to the poor). Furthermore, if one investigates the causes of accidents, one finds that they are mostly driver error, not equipment failure caused. So, "safety" inspections do not reduce the accident rate significantly.

As described in my post above, ‘my state’ charges you a yearly ‘property tax’ on your vehicle value. Not ‘as regressive,’ those owning/ driving high-dollar vehicles pay far more. The poor drive beaters.. Thus pay less in yearly taxes.

However, everyone’s required to have their vehicles inspected yearly, but the $18 (state limited) inspection fee is far less than the ..sky’s likely the limit tax on luxury liners.

I can attest, though, I work with some locals that, if it weren’t for that annual inspection requirement ..they’d be coming at you held together with bailing twine & duct tape 😕

@Varn For God's sake, look up what a "regressive tax" is.

@dahermit No need over here … though you’d best define your ‘god’ 😉

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In certain areas, you are badass (instead of dumbass) to drive with your lights off at night. Let's hope Darwin was onto something...

Except it involves other innocents.

@rogueflyer
Sad but true. I am all too aware of that riding a bike every morning and night regardless of the weather.

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I agree with everyone here, except I am perplexed why so many people where I live have their headlights on at noon on a cloudless, sunny, 95 degree day in the middle of July (literally, nearly everyone). If we can't see you under those weather conditions, we can't see you with your headlights on either. If it sunny, bright, and cloudless outside (and if I'm squinting from the brightness), I don't turn my lights on. I really don't see the point.

My headlights are always on if the car is on. They aren't bright unless I switch them on for real but they are always at least dimly lit. Sounds like that's the case for a lot of people.

If you drive a black, grey, or dark blue vehicle that blends in with the roadway your chances of getting hit when someone is passing and long distance tired of buzzed (one or two beers) are much greater.

@rogueflyer Maybe this is true, but I've been driving 30 years and I've never not seen a car because it was a similar color to the road. I've also never been in an accident on any road, although I had two very minor bumps in parking lots. Maybe I am just old and resistant to change.

@greyeyed123 my car lights are automatic - during the day it is usually just driving/running lights but they are on.

@greyeyed123 You're one of millions of drivers, some of marginal skill and vision.

@greyeyed123 You've never not seen a car because it was a similar color to the road. How would you know?

@Tominator I would know because I would have crashed into it. Then I would know I didn't see it. But since I've never crashed in such a way in 30 years...and cars of such colors are on the road...

@greyeyed123 You really crash into everything you don't see, that's amazing.

@Tominator Not everything. But after 30 years, and with millions of blue, black, or grey vehicles sharing the road with me, I would have certainly crashed into one of them if I didn't see them. Maybe they all had their lights on. lol

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I owned a Chevy in the 80s, that had no off switch for the headlights. If the car was on, the lights were on.

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It's a law, here in Illinois, that if you have your windshield wipers on, your headlights need to be on, as well.

Deb57 Level 8 Jan 2, 2019

Same here in Virginia, though new to me. I always drive with my ‘parking/ marker lights on’ … and suppose when it’s misting ..and my delayed wipers are occasionally swiping ..the officer will need to inform me if they constitute ‘lights’ 🙂

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it's required in pennsylvania to have an inspection every year. however, everyone knows a guy. i am fortunate that my car has automatic headlights and i really only toggle the switch when i turn on the high beams or use the lights with road work areas. i think there have been so many safety improvements made for vehicles, but we're still at the mercy of careful driving skills. glad you made it without any incident.

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Our law in PA is that you are required to have headlights on if it is raining. People are so stupid...they are not meant just for them to see but for others to see them, so it is to protect their stupid asses as much as ours. We also have state inspections and emission control checks. We all bitch and complain, but I feel safer knowing that everyone elses' car is as safe as mine with most parts working properly.

It is state law to have lights on in CT but there are so many that do not comply.

@Marine I agree with you that if they can put GPS and all of that other fancy crap on the cars, they surely can do a moisture sensor that would automatically turn on the lights...once again, though, the law biding people have to pay for those that don't comply in one form or another...we shouldn't have to regulate for stupidity...

@thinktwice True

@thinktwice i do have automatic headlights controlled by a sensor. they don't always turn on when it rains. i think if the wipers are in use, the same auto control should kick in. there are some times i manually turn on the lights, but i'm really grateful that my car does have that feature.

@Lillyfield41 Mine does the same...once I hit my wipers, the lights turn on...but I think you can easily override this function even though it is the law in our state...

@thinktwice then maybe it's a setting i can change. i'll look into it on my model. (doesn't go on with rain. does go on with darkness)

thanks.

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It seems bizarre to me that such requirements would not be law! Throughout the EU, all new models of car since 2011 must have "daytime running lights" front and rear which are illuminated whenever the car's engine (or motor) is running and are estimated to reduce accidents by 5-15%. In the UK, all road vehicles more than three years old and first registered for use within the last 40 years must be submitted for an annual MOT test (the name comes from the now-defunct governmental Ministry of Transport, which introduced the test) and, if they fail the stringent road-worthiness and emissions checks, cannot be used legally on the road. Vehicles over 40 years old are exempt because testing stations would need specialist tools to test such old vehicles, but are still required to meet the minimum standards set out in the MOT test and drivers who fail to maintain vehicles to that level can be prosecuted if stopped by police.

Jnei Level 8 Jan 2, 2019

It would also cost no one anything, for a law to be passed saying that all new vehicles must be painted with a high visibility paint, yet no government seems interested in things that cost nothing.

All that’s likely ‘a good idea,’ but I sure know a lot of people (if guys), who will hold requirements ‘like that’ against ‘the government’ forever… It’s why they hate our ‘federal government’ here in the US, with it’s ‘all encompassing’ regulations. And, as I listen to a lot of BBC, seems to be a creeping complaint with those connected to the EU; thus an underlying reason many of them would/ have voted to exit.

We’ve a so-called president attempting to destroy the same type of regulations, for the same type of ‘people’ (if guys)! There appears to be a point where conformance feels too restricting ... but like boiling that frog in water, most don’t notice till it’s driven them nuts.

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I do agree with you about the headlight though. That should be your responsibility.

So many do not do so . If it was automatic it would eliminate the problem.

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Requiring a total inspection is over kill and to much government regulation. I do think you should be required to have insurance before you can get your tag but requiring an inspection is to much. Hell some states require an emissions check before you can get a tag. That is major overkill as a lot of older vehicles would cost to much to comply. Diesel emission equipment cost a lot to maintain and it just isn’t worth it.

But my health is and if we have vehicles running around not meeting standards they should be repaired or junked. So many people drive unsafe vehicles that an inspection every two years might just save some lives and I would rather see that than someone be killed for no reason.

We have an annual safety inspections in UK. Its a good idea

@Amisja You can keep your UK inspection laws. I like the lack of them here in Oklahoma just fine.

New to required vehicle inspections ..I’ve actually begun to agree with them. Emission checks I’ve dealt with, and older vehicles are/ were only required to comply with their original emission output; no upgrade necessary - just keep them stock.

Those living in ‘the country,’ as I did, actually didn’t have to comply, but if living in various cities, it was a matter of life & death.

@Varn Here in Oklahoma no emission test is required and I’m damn thankful for that.

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I always have mine on.

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I agree. About a decade ago, there was some guy about a mile from me that went too far. He had the entire car done in chrome. The cops made sure he didn't drive it shortly after that.

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Every day I see cars without two headlights or missing tail lights or brake lights. You can also see cars not fit for the road like cars with worn out shock absorbers or wheels out of alignment and who knows what other problems. Some cars have monitors that tell them when something is wrong and these should be made standard equipment on all vehicles. Mandatory equipment checks should be preformed on cars to make sure they are safe to drive. With all the technology available today to make cars safe it should not be left to the manufacturers to decide to place it on a vehicle or not.

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