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This has probably been discussed before but here goes.

If time differentials exist like the correction for GPS and more extreme like the rims of black holes or extreme distances in space. Then doesn’t that negate the illusion of free will? So does that in turn reinforced the idea of a divine plan where everything is predertimined?

Nardi 7 Jan 8
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I can’t believe that is the case! We can choose, but that does not mean everything is lined up to bring it to completion, exactly as envisioned! Too much randomness, from my experience and study! All energy is just used...where/what can be the final outcome, is unknown!

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That would only be assuming every possible choice that could be made is. I have the option to go up to the roof of my building at any moment and leap off, however it's very likely that there does not exist a time line that follows that path.

...nor a soft cloud to fall into!

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Time dilation doesnt effect time - only devices that measure time.

gater Level 7 Jan 8, 2019

@irascible You're an idiot

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Ohferpetessake!
Quite an ASSumption you snuck in there, "the illusion of free will".....

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Free will may be illusion at atomic and molecular levels. I don't see what time dilation has to do with it but yeah essentially our molecules are gonna do what they will. Deterministic effects of the natural order are certainly in operation but this in no way suggests anything divine about the plan. Too many built in defects and too much unavoidable cruelty. If someone planned all this with their omniscience they're a certified shit pilfering ass pirate. In effect we do have less free will than we know, but it's sort of pointless to accept that premise. Rage against the dying of the light, just like your molecules predestined you to. 🙂

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I don't see how time dilation has anything to do with divine plan or free will.

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It seems to me that the Universe is cyclic and those cycles are what determine the entropy.

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Free will is not an illusion...

@Elganned yes I wasnt ...

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I think you need to reconsider this question. As for free will, we like all other creatures in nature, have very little free will and respond only to internal chemistry and external environment.

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Define, "free will."

Seems like an abstract term.

SCal Level 7 Jan 8, 2019
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I agree that whatever has happened has happened before the event as for human activity it had to happen in the mind first, therefore physical activity is the outer manifestation of an internal process. Not sure about divinity or a plan per se as the stimuli for activity happened in a place which is unobservable to us. Nice thinking though. Please let me know if you have any further inspiration or realisations of the Rabbit Hole.

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Well maybe my science is off but my idea is that if two time lines can exist at the same moment then free will doesn’t exist. I thought GPS was adjusted by a second or so.

Nardi Level 7 Jan 8, 2019

I think the error might because of what you refer to as "time lines". There are no seperate time lines. It's just different perspectives. Minutephysics did some videos on special relativiy which might help clear up some misconceptions. There is the first one:

Time is location specific so even though GPS satellites can be slightly off our schedule, from the satellite point of view it's keeping perfect time. You can only theoretically compare the difference between the two but in reality you can't travel between the two instantaneously. It's crazy to think that if the sun just disappeared out of existence, Earth wouldn't be flung out of it's orbit until 8 minutes passed. We couldn't detect it early so therefor it wouldn't be our reality until it finally reached us.

You are not creating different timeliness, it's just the speed of time that changes, it's like 2.ars on the same road at different speeds, both will pass over the same places in the same order, they just stay for different amounts of time in each place

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Um ... probably not.

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Ok, i need more explanation about the question.
What is the relation between free will and time dilatation?
Maybe you are not taking into account the causation principle and the definition of simultaneity and the time for information (particles) to travel.
Anyway we are entering in funny particle physics, are you sure that you wanna go there?

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Everyone would like to do it all over again for a different outcome. Is that the stuff of movies and books? How would it ever be possible and what would it have to do with an imaginary being?

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Theres is a big difference (the opposite ) between predetermined and preconditioned. in the preconditioned state,we are driven seconds by seconds on a time changing continuation of events.
There is no "free will" under this model.

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What dat chit uon?

godef Level 7 Jan 8, 2019
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You do not need to go that far, whether it works or not, if the universe is natural and deterministic then there is no free will, it is just an illusion. Full stop. Free will would only exist if we had supernatural powers and could avoid obeying natural laws.

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