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To this day it still amazes me how many people still believe in the literal interpretation of angels and heaven. They are indoctrinated at such an early age and at that age decision making is limited. Speaking out against the idea of God or Jesus , or questioning what they are "taught" is considered inappropriate and or wrong. If these Children were given a proper introduction to evolution and critical thinking skills early on this would significantly decrease the amount of pressure on conformity they are under. Those of us who have been able to break free from the Dogma know that once it's done life really opens up.

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The uneducated idiots are something else arnt they

Alphaeevee Level 4 Mar 14, 2019

On another website a believer told me I should study how we got the scriptures and how the bible was put together. He said this after I had posted on that same subject and claimed it as a big point on my non-belief. My answer to him was that 300 plus year old writings are not consistent with anything related to a man named Jesus and his "scholar" he is pointing me to is all locked up in a particular denomination. His belief becomes a biased opinion of the group he belongs to. He ends up saying that Josephus and Paul were contemporaries of each other. I point out to him that neither man knew or met Jesus and Paul is credited with writing a third of the NT.

Paul was deluded and had a little to say about angels and heaven. One of his problems was that he could never tell if he was in or out of his body.

DenoPenno Level 8 Mar 12, 2019

I know for a fact Angels Exsist!!!

darthfaja Level 7 Mar 11, 2019

A problem I also see or hear, is the literal interpretation of the King James bible. The priestly evangelical caste don't appear to understand the differences of linguistic translations. Let alone how language has evolved over time. In old Hebrew, to wash the feet of a person, was to give oral sex in everyday meaning during the time of Christ.
I dare say, the truth is known by the church, but it's all about power and money.
Disclaimer - As part of my employment, I support a service user to a church now and again.

Sofabeast Level 7 Mar 11, 2019

My parents would send me to church with an envelope with two dollars in it to put in the basket but they didn’t go themselves… The mass they sent me to was in Latin so they couldn’t really indoctrinate me in a language I didn’t understand and when they spoke English it was still Greek to mesmile001.gif

ArdentAtheist Level 8 Mar 11, 2019

My Mother did the same. i.e. she would take me to Sunday school beginning when I was 4, drop me off and pick me up afterwards. Never went herself.


Stupid gullible fuckers...I tell Christian chicks that my penis shoots out sweet applesauce blessed by Jesus...You'd be surprised how often that works...even works on catholic priests....

Is it cinnamon applesauce? Cause that would be grand!

But does it work on midget amputee burn victim porn stars?

@Dandewine ...they're paid to take it no matter what it tastes like...(but yes, it does)

@Freespirit64....why indeed yes it is....


What's also amazing is the multi-thousands of pictures, illustrations, paintings, Christmas cards, sculptures, song lyrics, stained glass windows, TV and cinema references, etc. that depict angels with wings. The Bible never states that angels have wings. That was an invention made centuries after-the-fact. True, there are both 4-winged and 6-winged beings in the Bible, but they aren't described as angels. Yet I bet if you ask 1000 Christians if angels have wings, 999 will answer in the affirmative.

johnprytz Level 7 Mar 11, 2019

On the contrary. The bible does state that angels have wings.
Isaiah 6:2
Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.

Exodus 25:20
The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.

Revelation 4:8
And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!”

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plural noun: seraphim
an angelic being, regarded in traditional Christian angelology as belonging to the highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy, associated with light, ardor, and purity.

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plural noun: cherubim
a winged angelic being described in biblical tradition as attending on God. It is represented in ancient Middle Eastern art as a lion or bull with eagles' wings and a human face, and regarded in traditional Christian angelology as an angel of the second highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy.

Seraphim and Cheribum are angelic beings with wings mentioned in the bible.


@ArtemisDivine In the trilogy of Biblical passages you quoted, there was absolutely NO associated mention of "angel", "angels", "angelic" etc. Thus, I stand by my original comment. But in any event, the traditional image of an angel is a being with TWO wings, not four or six.


@Johnprytz you never said anything about angels with two wings. I showed you a few bible versus mentioning angels with wings and the proper definition of those types of angels. According to the bible there are several types of angels. What does it matter how many wings they have?

According to Phillip Kosloski, angels have been depicted as having wings because they are messengers of God and are associated with birds. The wings are an artistic expression of their entrusted position.

And I added the two definitions of the angels mentioned in the versus to show that those beings described, by definition, were in fact angels according to the bible.


"I showed you a few bible versus mentioning angels with wings..."

NO YOU DID NOT! You passages did NOT mention anything about ANGELS, just the 'fact' that there are four-winged and six-winged entities mentioned in the Bible.

Now here's the challenge. Go to any one of the websites where you can search all of the Biblical texts. There one called "Bible Gateway". Plug in "angel" or "angels" or "angelic" or whatever associated equivalent you can come up with. There will NOT be any of those passages that will also contain anything about wings!

"According to Phillip Kosloski..."

So was this dude living back in Biblical times? Has he actually seen angels with wings? Or perhaps this is just his personal interpretation. Sorry, but personal interpretation doesn't alter the content of Biblical texts and those texts do NOT associate angels and wings together, and those four-winged and six-winged beings are NOT identified as actual angels.

"And I added the two definitions of the angels mentioned in the versus to show that those beings described, by definition, were in fact angels according to the bible."

But those definitions are NOT actual Biblical passages, so just some human's interpretation - no more and no less.


You live in a country where roughly 35 to 40 percent of polled people believe Trump is a good to great President. How can you be amazed by anything any longer? My bar for amazement has gotten pretty, pretty high.

Sticks48 Level 9 Mar 11, 2019

Personally, the idea of heaven is atrocious. Eternity, spent in a place where everything is done for you in return for perpetual worship? No thanks. I need challenge and purpose to feel as though life has meaning.

I get it. It worked when it was used to control the slaves and working classes. They were promised an eternity in which their roles were essentially swapped with the ones they perceived their lords and kings enjoyed. What's the value of it now? Reuniting with our dead ancestors? I wouldn't want to meet a lot of them.

If a god existed that somehow decided to make us and everything else that existed, I imagine we'd be more like an ant farm to it. Make it, poke around a bit, then abandon it and let the ants find their own way. Who ever expected worship from their ants?

GinaMaria Level 6 Mar 11, 2019

@GinaMaria your comment stems from religion. Religion said that we need to worship and extol and massage the testicles of the "supreme being" but that's religion. I don't believe that there's a divine sugar daddy - but whatever I do believe or don't believe isn't based on the bible. We're not going to meet up with our deceased loved ones - once again that is religion. Is there a divine being? I haven't a clue - pretty confident that the answer is no - but as someone that can think for myself - I can distance the concept of "God" from religion - can you?

@SLBushway Did you notice @GinaMaria said ''IF'' .I don't know her or yourself but I read both comments and mini profiles and she is an atheist,again the word ''if''.

The idea of heaven and hell is one of the oldest forms of carrot and stick training. Nietzsche said: "In heaven all the interesting people are missing."

@actofdog My comment was in regard to her first two comments, not the last which I paid very little attention to. The idea of reuniting with our dead ancestors is based on religious text. I know how to read don't need to be corrected.

@SLBushway Heaven and Angels, as the original post is discussing, are part of religion. What's your point, then? I don't believe in either, just pointing out that the biblical descriptions of heaven (or any described by other religions' texts) sounds awful. I'd think, if nothing else, that would turn a modern, thinking person away from religion, and gods, for that matter.

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