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To this day it still amazes me how many people still believe in the literal interpretation of angels and heaven. They are indoctrinated at such an early age and at that age decision making is limited. Speaking out against the idea of God or Jesus , or questioning what they are "taught" is considered inappropriate and or wrong. If these Children were given a proper introduction to evolution and critical thinking skills early on this would significantly decrease the amount of pressure on conformity they are under. Those of us who have been able to break free from the Dogma know that once it's done life really opens up.

petewillia 4 Mar 10

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Your post is right on the money. I know I have mentioned this in several of my post. One of my few regrets in life is that I did leave the dark side earlier in life. Like 2 months after I moved out of the house. I think I would be a happier person today.


The uneducated idiots are something else arnt they


On another website a believer told me I should study how we got the scriptures and how the bible was put together. He said this after I had posted on that same subject and claimed it as a big point on my non-belief. My answer to him was that 300 plus year old writings are not consistent with anything related to a man named Jesus and his "scholar" he is pointing me to is all locked up in a particular denomination. His belief becomes a biased opinion of the group he belongs to. He ends up saying that Josephus and Paul were contemporaries of each other. I point out to him that neither man knew or met Jesus and Paul is credited with writing a third of the NT.

Paul was deluded and had a little to say about angels and heaven. One of his problems was that he could never tell if he was in or out of his body.


I know for a fact Angels Exsist!!!


A problem I also see or hear, is the literal interpretation of the King James bible. The priestly evangelical caste don't appear to understand the differences of linguistic translations. Let alone how language has evolved over time. In old Hebrew, to wash the feet of a person, was to give oral sex in everyday meaning during the time of Christ.
I dare say, the truth is known by the church, but it's all about power and money.
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My parents would send me to church with an envelope with two dollars in it to put in the basket but they didn’t go themselves… The mass they sent me to was in Latin so they couldn’t really indoctrinate me in a language I didn’t understand and when they spoke English it was still Greek to me🙂

My Mother did the same. i.e. she would take me to Sunday school beginning when I was 4, drop me off and pick me up afterwards. Never went herself.


You live in a country where roughly 35 to 40 percent of polled people believe Trump is a good to great President. How can you be amazed by anything any longer? My bar for amazement has gotten pretty, pretty high.


Personally, the idea of heaven is atrocious. Eternity, spent in a place where everything is done for you in return for perpetual worship? No thanks. I need challenge and purpose to feel as though life has meaning.

I get it. It worked when it was used to control the slaves and working classes. They were promised an eternity in which their roles were essentially swapped with the ones they perceived their lords and kings enjoyed. What's the value of it now? Reuniting with our dead ancestors? I wouldn't want to meet a lot of them.

If a god existed that somehow decided to make us and everything else that existed, I imagine we'd be more like an ant farm to it. Make it, poke around a bit, then abandon it and let the ants find their own way. Who ever expected worship from their ants?

@GinaMaria your comment stems from religion. Religion said that we need to worship and extol and massage the testicles of the "supreme being" but that's religion. I don't believe that there's a divine sugar daddy - but whatever I do believe or don't believe isn't based on the bible. We're not going to meet up with our deceased loved ones - once again that is religion. Is there a divine being? I haven't a clue - pretty confident that the answer is no - but as someone that can think for myself - I can distance the concept of "God" from religion - can you?

@SLBushway Did you notice @GinaMaria said ''IF'' .I don't know her or yourself but I read both comments and mini profiles and she is an atheist,again the word ''if''.

The idea of heaven and hell is one of the oldest forms of carrot and stick training. Nietzsche said: "In heaven all the interesting people are missing."

@actofdog My comment was in regard to her first two comments, not the last which I paid very little attention to. The idea of reuniting with our dead ancestors is based on religious text. I know how to read don't need to be corrected.

@SLBushway Heaven and Angels, as the original post is discussing, are part of religion. What's your point, then? I don't believe in either, just pointing out that the biblical descriptions of heaven (or any described by other religions' texts) sounds awful. I'd think, if nothing else, that would turn a modern, thinking person away from religion, and gods, for that matter.

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