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Australia's most Senior Catholic cleric, and, until recently, the 3rd most senior world wide, Cardinal Pell, was sentenced today to a custodial sentence of over 6 yrs for sexual offences against 2 minors.
Although the conviction is subject to appeal, this is an historic moment. It says that justice is done even when we are dealing with a very influential person with many loyal to him in the Catholic church.
I hope this gives some solace to any here who are victims of clergy sex abuse.
What is your reaction to this news?

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Regardless of ANYONE'S religious beliefs, castration should be mandatory. If it were my child raped, I'd pay to be the one administering it.

Grayghost Level 6 Mar 15, 2019
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Yes , but imprisoned where, under what conditions and more importantly what of the thousands of pedophile priest that were proven rapist that the Vatican still protects. This one seems to be the vaticans sacrificial lamb, so to speak.

Imprisoned in a prison, like any other criminal, actually. He is in solitary confinement and will be allowed to see only some other prisoners over time.
I can't comment on priests from other countries, but my post was about hope for those 'here' ie in Australia, where the rule of law trumps the Catholic church. It's a good outcome in this case.

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" custodial sentence is a judicial sentence, imposing a punishment consisting of mandatory custody of the convict, either in prison or in some other closed therapeutic or educational institution, such as a reformatory, (maximum security) psychiatry or drug detoxification (especially cold turkey). As 'custodial' suggests, the sentence requires the suspension of an individual's liberty and the assumption of responsibility over the individual by another body or institution.[1] (from Wikipedia)

MST3K Level 8 Mar 13, 2019

Yes, but in the U.S. there are varying degrees of " custodial imprisonment. In many federal prisons ( mostly used to imprisommthe rich ) they are more like country clubs. The only comparison to prison in general is theybARE locked up. But even that is only at night. Not really that much of a punishment.

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Very lenient sentence.

zesty Level 7 Mar 13, 2019

Pell is in a maximum security prison,in solitary confinement. That good enough for you?

@Doubting Absolutely not! Give him to the parents of the abused children, let them decide!

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It's a drop of moisture in the bucket.

Byrdsfan Level 8 Mar 13, 2019
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It is progress even if it is too little and too late.

david7wk Level 6 Mar 13, 2019
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Six years is nothing.
This "sentence" is a joke.
He should be shot in the head. Just like every other sexual predator.

KKGator Level 9 Mar 13, 2019

That's not justice, that's just vigilantism. I'm for law and justice not vigilante 'justice'

@Doubting Okay.

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I think I first saw him on Q & A Australia with Richard Dawkins and really hated his answers/views. While I am sorry for the victims, I am glad that there was some sort of punishment. Loads of people in the past have gotten away without any ramifications. So small step in the right direction I guess.

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Custodial sentence? Does that mean he gets to stay out of prison and pretend to pray about his horrible abuse? Not enough punishment in my opinion. These fucking priests need to serve time in prison!

A custodial sentence is the technical term for IMPRISONMENT, GOING TO GAOL.

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We do this to ourselves. Organized religion should be outlawed.

Yes, end the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worship government most commonly known as United States of America since the European invasion of 1492 and the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers freedom from England July 4th. 1776 to rape this land from the origional indigenous inhabitants and establishing the mark of the beast-666 (metaphor for laws requiring identification for taxation and government control) .

@Antifred
Whew!!! Fred! Have you been smoking the whacky-tabaccy?

@bigpawbullets No just Pall Mall

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What is a “custodial sentence”? Sounds like house arrest, or under the watch of another Cardinal, which is nothing.

Hathacat Level 8 Mar 13, 2019

No, a custodial sentence means imprisonment.

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He won’t serve out the entire six years because he’ll be dead in six months. Pedos don’t do well in prison, and I’ll be looking forward to the news that this POS is six feet under.

webbew1 Level 7 Mar 13, 2019
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The Catholic Church will carry on in its disgusting way regardless.

irascible Level 8 Mar 13, 2019
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Hope he dies a broken man in jail. The rcc will discard him.

powder Level 8 Mar 13, 2019
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I haven't been following the case. Six years doesn't sound like much for a sexual offense. I just heard of a bank robbery case where the thieves were sent to jail for five, ten, and twenty five years. Which is worse? This man's sexual offense or robbing a bank?

Crimes against money have more lobby XD
To pirate music from someone can get more jail time than to kill that person...

The judge gave an hours explanation as to how he came to the 6 year sentence. Under Australian laws, the maximum he could give him for the worst of the 4 charges was 15 years. From that he took into consideration that these were the only abuses he was charged with either since or before his assaults. His age (77), failing health and the fact that he was held in high regard by the community for his beneficial work involved with other community programs. He was deemed to not be any further threat to society due to his age and notoriety (due to this trial). It was interesting to listen to the judge work through every thing. It was a sentence based soley within the constructs of the laws of the land. I felt that he was too lenient but that is just my opinion.

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I'm hoping it will be the beginning of a new trend of holding those affiliated with the church accountable for their crimes. I'm not about to hold my breath though.

Paracosm Level 8 Mar 13, 2019
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Death penalty would had be a nice decision .

Pralina1 Level 8 Mar 13, 2019

Nah, far too quick and compassionate.

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As pleased as I would like to be about this, I advise that this verdict is far from safe, and this story is not yet done. See if I'm right.

David1955 Level 7 Mar 13, 2019

IMHO, ANY Judge or Tribunal that DARES to overturn this verdict needs to swiftly BOOK a seat on the soonest One Way Flight to the next Galaxy and MAKE certain they DO NOT miss it.

I think you are right.

It doesn’t change my disgust for the RCC who, yet again, have gone to lengths to defend the convict.

It's hard to know. An Appeal Court will need very compelling reasons to render a jury verdict unsafe. But there are occasions when this occurs.

@Doubting I'm no Perry Mason, but there is an issue about late instructions the Judge gave to the jury about weighing evidence. I'm sure his legals will look at that.

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I am thrilled that there is a legal action to this abuse by the individuals who represent the church. They should NEVER have been allowed to get away with the molestation, and should be fully penalized to the extent of the laws. Or, better yet: allow the family and friends of victims decide upon an appropriate punishment!

Rustee Level 7 Mar 13, 2019

No, don't let the family decide the punishment. Justice is not the same thing as vengeance.

@Doubting - Yes, that is a very good point. The punishments might not quite fit the crime...

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