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how do you feel about the different genders and types of people coming out in the past few years? Why do we as people need to force everyone else into our limited stereotypes?

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Angelface 7 Mar 2
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Meh. People can be whoever they are, it doesn't affect me.

Jnei Level 8 Mar 2, 2018

That's how I feel about it, too.

It really is that simple. Respect for each person's position and direction in life, whether I agree with it or not, comes easier when I respect myself enough to take care of who I want to be instead of worrying about what someone else is doing.

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On the one hand: live and let live.

On another hand: I am hetero. I would like there to be a way to know that I am dating someone with the genetalia I am interested in. Not to put too fine a point on it...

I teach. There are students who want to be have gender neutral pronouns: they/them. There are students who want to use cross gender pronounds. I don't mind. I really do feel that this generation is part of a movement after which we will finally get to a place where what is important is that we are who we want to be, and relate as we want to and I think that is fantastic.

That said, I see some interesting issues arising from the change in how we use pronouns and identify with them. Meaning that some nice person that goes by the pronoun of "she" might find another person they are interested in who also goes by "she" and find out that each is not what the other is searching for in a "she" because of the fast and loose way that the pronouns are being used (and yes, it could be "he" or "they" in any mix you want there).

This may mean a FURTHER pronoun use. One that identifies your physical makeup, your sexual makeup, and yet another that identifies your psychological makeup. Such as physically male/identifies as bi/identifies as female.

We are in for fun times and I, for one, think it will lead us to a better place.

Oh, for the record, I had a discussion with a youngster who wished to be refered to as "they" and I kept slipping up, and apologizing, and saying "her" or "she" and we talked. They described meeting an older man who insisted on using the female pronoun and this upset them. My derelection of the neutral pronoun did not. Why? Because I honored their position and right to be who they were, or wanted to be, while the other oldster did not. I think this is the crux of the situation. It's not about insisting on how the language is used, it's on insisting that we respect each other.

It’s about “insisting that we respect eachother.” THANK YOU well said!

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Absolutely no problem with it.

However most people like to have a very pat idea of reality. Particularly if religion is involved.

I'm still learning proper pronouns and terms - but I try. (As an Auntie to a trans person who just told us two or so years ago I have to learn). Also was very fortunate that I took a course in Human Sexuality in College. It should be required!

Knowledge helps you combat irrational fear.

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It's awesome..time to trash the binary stereotypes..

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I think it's fantastic. People from all over the gender spectrum have always existed, they've just been sidelined by most of society as their presence was viewed as either an anomaly or unwelcome. There is still a long way to go on this front, but it's beautiful seeing individuals embracing who they are, even if they're afraid and have already faced some degree of negativity, and not letting the naysayers shut them down any longer.

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I had a miscarriage. Sometimes nature makes a mistake. People can be born on sex but feel another. That’s ok. Looking from an athromopolic approach....it’s seen throughout history.

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I get very confused, my daughter is gay and engaged to a pansexual?

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No evidence of religious beliefs so "nah"
Science says there's two genders, "oh, I don't believe that"

Actually, science recognizes many variations in biological sex. Many people are born intersex (with physical characteristics of both sexes), people are born with more than two chromosomes (XXY or XYY) and occasionally people are born with chromosomes that don’t match their external genitalia. So, it is not always clear how people fit into biological sex categories, let alone how they identify themselves.

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I feel overwhelmed by all the labels sometimes.I never thought of things so discreetly, rather a blur or blend of preference.Makes it hard to be correct in a discussion

Pronouns - we need new pronouns. I'm thinking more inclusive.

@RavenCT its not just about the pronouns . it is all the new terms. I can see as a coming out movement why they want to use them but for me in my day to day interaction that knowledge would mostly not apply

@btroje I think I speak more openly about sex (and surrounding issues) more openly then most. I'd blame that Human Sexuality Class - but I like knowledge - period. So it's probably just the way I am.

Also I have friends from all over the Rainbow Spectrum.

@RavenCT i hope i didnt sound critical or negative

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I worked with a group that was writing a book titled “Biology is not Destiny” with a particular emphasis on gender. Even biological sex (defined by chromosomes and/or genitalia) is not always simple or binary. Even more so, much of gender (what people think it means to be a man or woman) is culturally defined.
As cultural ideas about gender evolve, as people are raised with less rigid ideas about what men and women “should be” more people feel that they don’t fit neatly into either binary box. I hope that the current trend of identifying ever-growing categories to define gender will ultimately become less important, and people will be able to just be THEMSELVES without having to use labels to declare how their traits align with social expectations.

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I think people are people. Who they sleep with or identify shouldn't be even a thing to anyone but them. When I hear bigotry against people because of their sexuality, I just wonder what they are hiding.

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Has no direct effect on my life. Live and let live

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I think it's great that people can express who they really are. I do however, get confused with the pronouns. One of my daughters friends is biologically a female but does not identify any particular gender. When I speak of her with my daughter, I use the feminine pronoun "she" and my daughter tells me that I have to refer to the friend as they. Now I understand that there are times when "they" can be used in the singular. But if I want to say the equivalent of "how is she doing?" and be politically correct, i would have to use the plural and say, "How are they doing?". This person is one person. It doesn't make sense to me. Sigh.

We were using the abbreviation s/he years ago. I wish that would become the norm. Confusing pronouns! And "they" implies multiples. So that's also in-concise.

There have been attempts to introduce ze (equivalent to she or he), zir (her or him) and zirs (hers or his) as gender-neutral pronouns for some time, but they've never caught on. I suspect that in the not-to-distant future when we also need pronouns for genderless artificial intelligences, they might.

@Jnei See now I would just call genderless AI "it". I hope something catches on. I'm tired of arguing with my daughter about it.

@lhcoastal I'd use "it" for AIs too, but I think as they become more advanced people will think of them as personalities in their own right and begin to use pronouns - especially people who grow up with such technology.

@xamountofstars Agreed. I'm happy to use whichever pronouns a person prefers me to use.

@xamountofstars I'm all about respecting someone's preferred pronoun. I just find it confusing. Perhaps my ability to adapt to the language is because I'm a bit older and my brain isn't used to thinking about it in those terms.

@Jnei Great point. I agree.

@xamountofstars Thanks for the education. I definitely need it.

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I think we're becoming more away of the fluidity of sexuality and gender. We used to see these things in black and white, but now we're seeing in color, and it's changing how they look.

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I am glad that these people now have a chance to live their lives in the open . I just hope it becomes easier for them and the evangelicals stop trying tochange them.

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Read Shadow Man by Melissa Scott. Just do it.

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I had always tried to keep it simple... male, female. I have never encounter a third sex or how it fits in the reproductive system among humans. And I know... I will catch Hell for being Honest but I am a firm believer of Original Factory Parts, no transformers for me.

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The most interesting are the QUADERSEXUALS....they will do anything with anyone for a quarter.

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So desperate to be unique. Just end up a cliche.

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Thanks, everyone. I have met so many different people in the past years including four people who had some physical characteristics of both sexes. What I do not understand is the insistence to pigeonhole everyone in our socially defined boxes and not their own!

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I'm fine with it. I think people who have felt marginalized, for whatever reasons, just
want to be seen for who they are. They want to be part of the same "collective" and
not forced to the fringes. I think they deserve the same respect and consideration
as anyone, and everyone, else. They're human, too.

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