you mean between a criminal and someone who took a lot of heat for decades by people deliberately trying to paint her as a criminal? i don't know why people drink kool-aid. it doesn't taste good and it has no nutritional value.

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@genessa No, I mean between a criminal and a criminal. I don't know why people drink the Kool-Aid either. I wouldn't have supported either of them if they weren't criminals based solely on political agenda, as if it mattered anyways. I'm all for reducing governance to bare bones functionality. I'm just as tired of the social engineering, tribalism, and straw man debates as you are. My political opinions are based on what is best for me. The functionality of democracy is based on that assumption, one that somehow we don't hit.
Farmers suport conservatives who spoil their land in favor of oil companies. (something personal )
Liberals suport higher taxation that ends up funding wars we can't win ( something personal )

Both sides are corupt. I will not suport a lesser evil, only a greater good.

@Happy_Killbot and look what you ended up with. is it better for you? is it better for anyone but the super-rich? and you are wrong about both being criminals. just dead wrong.

as for bare bones and taxes and all that.... feel free to go out and repair the roads yourself. maybe you don't need social security but i'd be dead, literally dead, without it.

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@genessa Half the roads in my home town were built and maintained by private citizens, including ones maintained by oil companies to keep their trucks moving which everyone can use without charge.
Do you really think that you couldn't have done better if you paid less in taxes your whole life? You could have used that money to grow something that might have been more than what you collect in social security just by making some safe long term investments.
This may be hard to wrap your head around, but when people give me things for free that I don't feel like I earned, I take offense. I would literally rather be punched then paid instead of just paid, even though that makes no sense.

@Happy_Killbot correct, i really know for a fact i could not have done better by myself. i live in the world, with other people, and people who do things cooperatively can achieve more than those who do not. as for social security, i am disabled, and now elderly too, so no, i could not have made safe long-term investments, for i never had anything to invest; employers do not voluntarily pay living wages for the most part. too many folks live paycheck to paycheck and have nothing to invest, or save, and one illness, one accident, one unforeseeable expense can ruin their lives. and you are also correct that what you have said makes no sense; it also seems antisocial and selfish. but then, that is a good description of libertarianism, whether or not you call yourself a libertarian (i didn't look).

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@genessa You had time didn't you? What abut your mind? People live paycheck to paycheck instead of trying to be the one who gives the paycheck. I understand what it means to have an accident ruin your life. My dad was in a farming accident that left him unable to do his job, right before the financial crisis in 2008 that hit farmers hard. Because of this I had to learn to work both harder and smarter. From where you sit using your computer you have the potential to make millions from nothing. I would find it insulting if I had to wait to be fed, even if I needed the help.

@Happy_Killbot you know what? victim-blaming is not only rude, it turns people into victims who don't think of themselves that way. you can't sit there, not knowing me at all, and tell me what i can or can't do. maybe you're more easily and unreasonably insulted than i am. maybe you don't really understand what social security disability benefits are or do. maybe you make assumptions that don't help your case.

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They do that now.

yes

Yes!
The republican Fascists have been fighting that for over 100 years now!

It's not hard to vote. As long as no one is trying to stop you.

@KKGator I'm moving back to where they mail you the ballot and still not everyone can be bothered to do it

@1of5 I vote absentee almost all the time. I have never had a problem requesting my ballot, or receiving my ballot.
There is no "cure" for voter apathy. That's on the people who feel that way.
Making voting mandatory wouldn't do much to correct that. Especially if people feel like the penalty for not voting won't be enforced.

@KKGator that's why I think the first thing that would be voted on was repealing the mandatory aspect. Some people just don't get how importaint it is. Ironically enough.