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How serious do you think our $22 trillion debt is?

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Heraclitus 8 May 7
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I think at some point, people will think that loaning more money to the U.S. is not such a good idea. At that point the U.lS. influence and power will collapse in on itself.

As ti stands the U.S. can't even manufacture most components and parts of its own weapons... it has all beeen outsouced.

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Who do we owe all this money to? If every country is in debt to every other country then isn't all just one big academic lie?

That would be true if all the debt was to other countries that were equally in debt to us, and no other countries ever reneged on their loans. That is why some debt is not a problem and can even be a good thing because it provides capital leverage for investment (per Alexander Hamilton). But that is not the case. In fact, we have been running trade deficits for decades. Additionally, much of the debt is money that we, in effect, "owe to ourselves" in that the federal government has been spending more than it takes in for decades and pays the bills with loans/bonds from American banks. But, even if the loans are from foreign private banks, as opposed to foreign nationally owned central banks, that is still a problem unless the foreign private banks also owe us money, which is unlikely. The real problem occurs when the federal government no longer is able to pay the interest on all the loans. Then it either has to raise taxes, and/or cut benefits, and/or print money which leads to devaluation of the dollar and rising inflation so that the debt is paid back in cheaper dollars. The other alternative would be for the federal government to actually renege on its loans which would destroy the credit rating of the federal government and all future loans would then be at exorbitant interest rates.

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And growing by the second.

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If any independent citizen ran their finances as their governments do - most countries would be full of bankrupts

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Rough calculation if everthing remains same as in 2018-2019 year: 130 million employed, median income $56k, which has estimated taxes of ~$10k. So the government collects about 1,300,000,000,000 or 1.3 trillion...for 2018 the IRS reported 1.7 trillion collected.

The debt is 22 trillion. Even of we used 3/4 of our tax revenue it would takes 22 years. That's with 0 interest per year. 90% of the debt is owed to US citizens, most of which are 10-year T-bills, a portion of which mature each year and which the US must pay. The interest is about 3-5%.

As long as people believe the US will be around long-term to pay it debts, they will invest in t-bills and the U.S. will have some money to (plus some money in taxes) to pay of the debt.

Now anyone can buy T-bills if legally allowed in thier own country. So others can invest money in the US, and if the administration is smart (lol!) It will invest the money in government programs that will increase the country's GDP enough such that it will increase tax revenue enough to pay off the debt when the t-bill matures.

So far the economy is doing well, but we are spending way too much on social security, medicare, medicaid as people live longer than originally predicted and medical costs rise. So if we can reduces such spending we can pay off the mandatory interest and a portion of the debt and be slowly on the way to eliminate the debt in a few decades.

So it is in the interest of the US to educate and ensure each employable person can maximize their income, thus maximizing taxes. If people become satisfied with lower income, the government may have to increase taxes on middle class to compensate for the low income to maintain the same tax revenue.

So in a strange way the best way you can help the US defeat the debt is start a long-term success company, have many employees, pay your employees well, vote for competent officials (hahaha!) who will run the country to efficiently provide services with low losses and invest money in American entrepreneurs to increase tax revenue, and lastly invest in US bonds so that US can use that money to make good investments.

Thats what should happen...but bad and unregulated business practices can destroy the economy to put money in the hands of a few who use loop holes to not pay taxes. At that point the citizens suffer and the US government suffer due to bad business.

So also vote for regulating businesses such as banks, environment, manufacturing... Etc.

If the majority of US citizens decide to pusue this, I wouldnt be too worried about the debt, pending no other disasters!

Agreed. The problem is that the goal of the private industry groups which the federal government does business with is to maximize profits and minimize costs so the executive staff can live lavish lifestyles, and because private industry leaders won't step up to the plate and downsize a bit , the government attempts to saddle the poor and working class with the burden.

In doing so, the poor and working class has less capital to invest in the economy, and private industry loses profits anyway. In response, private industry shoots themselves in the foot yet again by cutting wages and laying off workers. They then belly up to the government dole for corporate welfare, sending the economy in to an even deeper downward spiral.

It's a vicious cycle which is, sooner or later, going to drag the country and everyone in it in to hell.

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