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Donotbelieve 9 May 10
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I agree all humans are born atheist, but the term would not exist if it were not for theism in the first place. Humans born into a society where theism is predominant will be labeled atheist by theists, but might better be described as unsullied or natural.

If not "someone" indoctrinating the infant as s/he grows, society will, to some extent, so the label is necessary for distinction.

Hardcore theist leaders would like their flock to consider atheists as evil, but I wear the label as a badge of independent thinking, staying true to myself and jiving with the world I see around me.

It is up to current atheists to create positive awareness within the theist society that we exist and are warm, caring, intelligent individuals. This effort would help the new generation of atheists to be welcome and given a fairer chance than many of us were, growing up atheist within a religious society.

Perhaps using a more positive label such as humanistic, to designate a belief in human reason, compassion and problem solving, would designate a belief in something, rather than "nothing" as many theists like to think about atheists.

So true...we have been mischaracterized for wayyyy to long.

I think we should call ourselves "schmyms" Because it has no negative connotation. Until people start giving it one. Language has determined words for the opposite of things. No more and no less. You really think "humanistic" is free from badmouthing if theists want to? 🙂 I'm pretty sure "sticks and stones..." is appropriate here.

@lerlo My use of "humanistic" is in response to theists who often think atheists don't believe in anything, no moral code, no ethics, etc.

Rather than focus on what we don't believe in, I like to focus on what I do believe in, the goodness, human compassion and problem solving reasoning skills of people, without reliance on supernatural deities.

Morals, ethics and being a good person has nothing to do with belief in god/s, so I like to drive that home a bit.

The word "atheist" is a negative word, not derogatory, but negative in that it means without gods. The word "humanistic" is positive, in that is offers a description of the belief, rather than simply non-belief.

I feel that creating more awareness that most atheists are just as kind and caring as theists, often more so, that we can do our bit toward softening the connotation of the word. That's all.

@Julie808 I get it but they're two different words. Not all atheists are humanistic unfortunately. Atheist is no more a negative word than any other word somebody doesn't like. chocolate is a negative word to people who don't like it or who are allergic to it. Is theist a negative word to you?

@lerlo You're missing my point, but that's okay. I surely never said all atheists are humanists. I am, so that's the example I gave as a word that is something rather than the absence of something. The word chocolate isn't a term designating the absence something, however achocolate could be. I'm not a fan of chocolate, so my diet is usually a-chocolate, for example. Done explaining my answer. Have a good evening.

@Julie808 Got it. A- and Un- are negative words.

@Julie808 Julie you got me thinking and perhaps you would agree with and support a new PR campaign for atheists and their new moniker being "god-free" All kinds of products are sold touting that they are sodium free or calorie free or caffeine free. Free is an uplifting word and is positive. In fact I'm going to push the idea to admin and see if they might be interested in changing the site name to god-free.com. What say you?

@lerlo I see no reason to change the name of the site. If I were searching for a site for companionship with like-minded (atheist/agnostic) people, it would not occur to me to search for "god-free" as it's not a well known term, and I would worry that speaking of issues regarding god/s might not be allowed or encouraged. Adding "free" to a word is a little softer than "a" but still means the same thing to me. You should definitely describe yourself as such, if you like it.

For me, I was born without belief in God, but into a Catholic family, so belief in a God was part of my childhood. I made a conscious decision to remove belief in God from my life, but God talk is all around me, so my life is not God-free, but my beliefs are, which is why I identify as a-gnostic. I am without belief in God.

I would rather we all work together as a group of like-minded people to change the perception (stigma?) of atheists/agnostics by setting the example of being warm caring thinking individuals who are positive contributors to society, and thereby making it easier for shy members to come out. The term humanist is also a softer term, I use to describe myself, but I find many theists don't understand the word.

We do have the mirror site "humanist.com" but as you say, not all atheists/agnostics are humanist, or at least they don't identify as such. (I do, but still prefer this side of the site.)

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A completely true no brainer.
Atheism was defined by religious people, usually to denigrate other religious people who believed something else.
Declaring yourself an atheist came on to the scene much later and was immediately a burning issue (literally).

@Donotbelieve Argue another point then.

@Donotbelieve FFS

While I get being a contrarian, there's no reason to be a dick about it.

@KKGator I completely agree...smugness is never appreciated. It devalues the conversation...or at least attempts to do so.

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I agree

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Well, the word "Atheist" is a reaction to the religious beliefs in some God. It means "I don't believe there is a God". Atheism is a statement. If a child is born and is not indoctrinated and is kept away from social communities, it will stay "non-religious".
The word "atheist", as far as my experience goes, is mainly used by people that do not believe in a god, do distinguish them from religious people. It's like the word "nigger" that is used a lot among African Americans, but the same group of people is very sensitive if non-black-skinned people use it. Discrimination is how you think others see you. A preconception I guess.

Gert Level 7 May 14, 2019
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I don't disagree with it.

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I agree with most of this. I can be defined as "atheist" but it simply means I have no god.

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I agree with the indoctrinated part. Most people educate their kids to follow what they believe in. Only later on in the lives, kids decide whether if they keep following or not. My nephew was raised as a JW but only when he got to late teens, early adulthood, he decided not to go on that direction.

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It seems to me that we are born Tabula Rasa and everything else follows from that whether it be belief or non-belief depending upon the environment (family) into which we are born and a sense of identity evolves from there into one state or another. With the exception of epitaphs nothing is written in stone.

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Gods have always been part of human culture to explain the supernatural events that happen around us, including dying. The stories make us feel better, safer, less afraid. They are just stories. Pure, manipulative fiction. The invention of money and then the government's partnership with religion opened the floodgates for corruption, greed,... Read Daniel Quinn's Ishmael books. Fascinating stories. Nonfiction at its best.

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A lot of truth in that statement except for one thing. When people are born, they have not actively rejected religion. It is simply not a part of their core psyche.

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I agree to this statement to a certain point, not believing in a God should be the default position until indication and evidence supports such claim, however in societies and cultures around the world children are heavily influenced at an early age to whatever their parents believe in. No one has a choice in the matter after being born and is told what to believe until we're old enough to follow our own paths, unfortunately indoctrination is very hard to overcome.

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Agree. I like "non-delusional" or "believer in logic".

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wholeheartedly agree. I would rather call myself a realist

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Well we are outsiders and that is a role I'm happy to play when I consider the alternative.

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True

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I agree.

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Agreed

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I agree

Read you the first time .

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It's a true statement. I agree with it.

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