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How do we define success in the world of popular music? Is it quantified by the number of hit singles, the number of album sales, or the longevity and lasting influence which an artist or band has? There are truly iconic artists who never write their own music, only recording the music written by other songwriters, Elvis for instance. Do you think that is a significant factor, or not? Do you only consider success in the US/UK to be a criteria for consideration as a success story, because there are artists barely known, from Europe and other parts of the world with successful careers and large fan bases and music sales in the millions.

I am the host of a few Music groups here on Agnostics and am just curious to find out how many of us are open to new and less familiar music, or whether by conditioning to hearing only the music we have been allowed to hear on our airwaves by the US Music Corporations, we have shut out our appreciation of the less familiar. I’m genuinely interested to know your answers to the above list of questions, because I know that certain artists have effectively been kept out of the US music market by the Music Labels they sign up to, if they don’t tow the line and produce the type of music which is deemed commercially viable by them. Their music is not released or played on the radio, because the radio stations are controlled by the Industry. It is probably a bit easier for an artist to self produce and promote now, with the Internet, than it was in earlier decades, but we mainly still only hear what the Industry wants us to.

Marionville 10 Aug 6
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I don't listen to mainstream radio. I recently attended a concert that had artists that play the new and rare type of music that you won't hear on pop music radio. All of these artists fall under the "Alternative Rock" category.

Beck - from California
Cage the Elephant - from Kentucky
Spoon - underground band from Austin, Texas

All three are really good bands. I'm most familiar with Cage the Elephant because I really like their music. My point is that these artists are mildly successful without selling out to the pop commercial formula.

Could you post something something here for us to listen to?

@Marionville Some of their songs.

Beck - Loser

Cage the Elephant - Shake Me Down

Spoon - I Turn My Camera On

@balou Thanks for letting me hear them...I can see that they don’t fit into the mould, but are quirky and interesting. Glad they’re giving pleasure to their followers by playing live,

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Most of my favorite music has melody, singing in tune (not necessarily perfect though), and imagination in the lyrics and chords and arrangements. It seems to me that many of my favorite songs have sort of a logical flow or sequence when it comes to melodies and chords.

I, too, prefer the music of the 60's and 70's (and to some extent the 80's) over music from more recent decades.

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Personally, I like different. I get bored easily, & don't want to hear the same year in, & year out. My music taste is quite wide, although there are plenty I don't like as well, but I like to be open to hear different.

I can vouch for your tastes being very varied,

@Marionville Hahahaha.....did something give it away????

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I like to listen to music by artists I do not know, some are excellent , many good, but there is a lot of dross out there. I am constantly amazed at the number of people who have been told, at some point or other, that they can sing, while they clearly have difficulty hitting a note, holding a tune,or memorising lyrics more complex than a couple of repeated lines.
Success in western countries seems to be ensured by an attractive semi naked body and measured by earned income and profits.

Sadly there is a lot of truth in what you say,

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Unfortunately I listen to music in my car so that means I only get to hear what is being "sold" by radio stations. I don't live in an area where we have alternative radio stations. I do have friends though that have a much broader musical knowledge than I do so when I hear what they are playing I usually try to pick up a CD and learn more about the musician. I've been musically broadened in this way, I love to listen to Amalia Rodriguez and Cesaria Evora (need to check my spelling) and many others. I also like to follow local musicians and hear what they are doing, especially if they are writing their own stuff.
As far as Elvis - He was new and different, he was easy to look at, he had a nice voice, for us teenagers he was the sign of rebellion against our parent's stodgy music. In other words a gold mine for his producer and manager, and of course for him.
I certainly do not think that a musician has to be successful in the US or UK to really be a success. But like everything else packaging is shoved down our throats and it is what is made available to the masses.
BTW - give me the names of your music groups here on Agnostic as I'll sign up!

I’m the host of Music Fans, Classic Rock, and World Music....a bit of a music nerd!

@Marionville I'll be joining!

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Must be by the number of media playings. If any comparison is to be made it must be something everyone can count ( maybe with the media stations or magazine's help).and therefore check upon.

That isn’t a true comparison...media playing is controlled by the industry. What about how many people pay to come to hear an artist at a live performance and how much they gross from that and record sales over a lifetime career. It seems more realistic than hits on YouTube or plays on the radio.

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