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In one of my classes the professor asked everyone to stand up who loved America. Almost everyone did. I was the only one who didn't - which I think messed up what he was trying to do. I just disagreed with the premise. I might love living in America or love some of the ideals, but as a whole I do not. Nor do I think it's appropriate or really possible to love a nation Doesn't it depend on personal perceptions & definitions? Perhaps it's because I associate loving a nation with nationalism in its extreme form. Which at times is a form of faith, because despite seeing the wrong your country does, you almost overlook it - & doing anything about it might be considered treason.
Has anyone else run into a similar situation or have additional thoughts to share?

Decieven 7 Mar 20
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I am in a 55 and older, low income apartment complex. Many here think the NFL players taking a knee was a TERRIBLE thing to do, trump is the best thing to happen to America and foxSTUPID is their go to news station. OH!! and they are religious.
I speak my mind and there is the mindset that to critize is somehow treasonous but I persist and do get the point across that our democracy is ABOUT speaking out and there are many injustices and we have responsibility to vote.
Then sometimes I just take the brick outta my back pocket and bang it against my head. LOL

Been there, also am tempted to use the brick in other fashions. lol

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It amazes me how people feel we have to all think the same, and anything to the contrary is viewed as being difficult. I guess my rebel is hanging out, but I APPLAUD anyone with the guts to stand up and say "I'm different". Why do we have to fit into a mold that society has created and labeled "normal" in order to be accepted? This really chaps me, and it's partly what's wrong with society and why we aren't more accepting of other's opinions, races, cultures, etc.

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I totally agree with you. Blind devotion to a nation can be dangerous, especially to a democratic system. If we stop questioning why our government and our people do the things they do, we risk losing it all. By this mean I mean questioning both how we're governed and how our culture and society evolves.

yeah ... look what blind devotion to gods has done !

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I hope your professor gave you a chance to explain why you chose not to stand. That sounds like a silly experiment on their part, anyway. Reminds me of all of those annoying facebook memes that start with "Like and Share if you..." Um...no thanks.

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America, right or wrong. When it is right, keep it right. When it is wrong, make it right.

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I remember part of a quote that, 'patriotism is an ape's adrenalin'. I agree with you, blindly following such a fluid concept seems like faith to me.

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I consider excessive nationalism and loyalty to certain sports teams faith systems. Sometimes it seems like we want to make the country a North Korea, daily flag worship, endless praise of the military, and frequent military parades.

That seems to be Fearless Leaders approach. I was taught when I was young, that extreme nationalism was not good for the country. Now, it seems the opposite is considered politically correct.

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I completely agree @Decieven. I'm not proud to be English but I had no choice in being born let alone where that would be. I just am English and do happen to like where I live. I don't know any better or worse really. the earth is an amazing place depending literally what we humans have done to it and I'm quite frankly very disappointed with how we treat this amazing planet.

thank you, it is or should be hard hitting.

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Respect for what you did, brave lady. Totally agree. Its just as dangerous as the religious faith. In India, everyone is made to stand up at cinemas for national anthem before a movie starts. Why do we need to proclaim out patriotism or nationalism even in cinemas?

@Decieven a disturbing trend in world politics is emerging the one with ultra nationalism. Be it asia europe or america

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I don't love places or things. I love living entities, people and animals.

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I’ve always seen sports in this manner too. When you root for a “home” team... You are disliking another... It’s what separates all of us from one another... Competition is human nature... but segregation is always dangerous...

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At college level I suppose if the instructor was trying to make a point in a psychology or political class it would be appropriate, however you did not provide that info. I hate what trump/pence are trying to do-change the US into a white Christian country with their nationalism-America First Bullshit.

Less than three years left and we have to change coming!

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I think you did the right thing, America is a very good country for it's citizens who don't challenge it. However if you're a foreigner you're basically Fu(#ed. Especially if you're from Africa or the Middle East. I mean seriously. When the IRA was bombing the UK, sure the british invaded Ireland (Not sure who attacked first to be honest) but they didn't use predator drones or B-52's to drop 300 000 tonnes of explosives on one damn city. Unlike the US in Libya which presented no threat to the US whatsoever except for the fact that they were increasing the price of oil.

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What happen if im in a wheelchair?

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I admire your courage.

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So what happened in class after you did not stand?

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I'm Canadian, and I probably would have stood up if the same was aksed to me re. Canada, but I can understand why someone might not.
I feel that people shouldn't ask questions if they aren't prepared to hear the answers.
Your professor essecially asked you a question; he should be brepared for any of the possible answers. If he's trying to make a point, he should be sure he phrases the question that ensures it backs up his point.
I can be a bit of a poop-disturber when I feel someone thinks they can out-smart, or corner me. (I'm not saying you are or are not). But if anyone (your professor) is going to ask a large audience a yes/no question, they might want to take in to account that not everone will have the same answer. Either your Prof didn't think the question through, underestimated his autience, or took a gamble and lost.
Maybe I'm missing the point of the comment - Maybe you were asking if others can relate to not loving everyting about the US. And I get that. I don't love everything about Canada. Overall I love Canada, but I can see who some might not.

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People who look to others to validate their extreme patriotism often have an agenda to influence others....it is really a way to manipulate. I think the professor who was asking all those who love America to stand had an agenda to infuence behavior.

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A. I admire your bravery. It isn't easy to go against the flow.
ii. In Fort Worth? Girl, you cray!
3. I've been thinking about that very subject. I grew up believing I was amazing fortunately that my forepersons came here by boat or by bridge. I admit, I still haven't recovered from November 2016.

@Decieven Glad you like the bulleting. I've been doing it for years. So like you, a bit contrary. Another thing: Why do we stand and put our hands over our hearts for God Bless America at ball games? It isn't the anthem!!!
And, those poor kids who are dying in Afghanistan arent making me any free-er.

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Thats just rude

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Thats just rude

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I agree. That was too subjective a question for class anyway, triggering peer pressure responses.

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Thats just rude

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