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An incident concerning the following recently occurred in a political setting; hence, posting it in Politics.

One of the newest catch phrases is "Ok, boomer," which is dismissive of just about anything that comes of a baby boomer's mouth. The phrase is primarily used by millennials and Gen X/Z.

I consider the phrase a pejorative that is biased and ageist. Lately, I have had two young friends on FB (I have known one of these women since she was a child and have known the other for years--she was a student of mine) champion the use of this phrase.

When I protested, the first told me that I while I was a "nice" person, I couldn't truly be a "good" person because of my birth status. She used the analogy that a man who is a cop (and she specifically said "man" although she claims to be a feminist) can be a good man but he could not be a good cop because the system is inherently corrupt. There are NO good cops. She went further to say that boomers hate millennials.

The other told me that I was not like boomers who summarily dismiss millennials and that if the phrase did not apply to me, I should ignore it. She then went on to list some sins of boomers. This is a fallacious argument and to counter it, all I had to say was if what boomers say about millennials does not apply, the millenial should ignore it.

A third party linked me to an explanation about why the phrase was apt. The young man writing the FB post said that boomers who marched with Dr. King and otherwise fought for changes within the system were "excused" from the condemnation [my word] of boomers. He then ended the post saying that the reason why so many millennials cannot get jobs is because boomers "refuse to retire" [his words], thus keeping young people from jobs that they deserve. That blew his entire argument. What are boomers who cannot live on SS supposed to do? Quit working and slowly starve to death?

When I was in the hippie phase, "we" didn't trust anyone over 35. I understand youthful rebellion, but I was 16, not 36. The issue that is particularly annoying to me because it stereotypes old people and in some cases, makes no exceptions for those of us who championed feminism, rights of gays, and civil rights, and who refused to fight in a useless war.

Anybody remember Kent State?

Thoughts?

Gwendolyn2018 9 Nov 10
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Not to tee off on your friend's one particular analogy, but:

"There are no good cops" until you need to call 911. As someone who works within "the system", I would tell your friend that the overwhelming majority of cops are good cops. Also overwhelmed, outnumbered and outgunned in high-crime areas, and faced with a public that is often hostile, distrusting, and shoving camera phones in their faces at traffic stops.

I'm the last to say the police are always right. But the officer on the street (and the line officer in the prison system) is making life or death decisions all the time, that most people will never face. The default decision has to be to protect themselves first. It's easier to critique these decisions than to make them.

Sorry... this is one of my buttons.

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I just let it roll. I am a boomer, I remember Kent State and the moon landing. I am a Hippie, ie my user name. I think this is blow back and we're going to get a bit of spray. How often have the millennials been put down for just for being? I got compared to a millennial. My Gen X supervisor told me I was acting like a whiny millennial by asking for feedback on what I did right.... That and a few other things were an awakening. I think the anger is directed at the Gen X. I have three children that are millennials. They are angry. They are a product of their upbringing and now they are getting shat on by Gen X and Boomers. They may never be able to retire. They will likely not have SS or Medicare. I'd like to slap all the conservative rethuglican members of my generation and ask them what the hell they are thinking. They have become corporate mindless bots. They have missed our calling. My parent's generation, the Greatest Generation is rolling in their graves over what the f--king president is doing. There is just tons of anger out there, and I don't blame the millennials for being scared and angry. They're overloaded. Don't respond in anger. Let them know we're working for the same cause.

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Given some of the horrible generalizations of Millennials and Gen -Z I have seen on FB, can’t really blame them for the blowback. I defend them as my stepson is a fantastic kid and his friends as well. Much better than I was, and I was in no way a bad kid. But I had a lot of freedom and took advantage.
As mentioned by several on this post, the Hippy generation turned into the Yuppie generation. Just as greedy and consumer driven as our parents for the most part. My parents didn’t get all bent out of shape when the social networks of Look and Time magazine were quoting our generation as not trusting anyone over 30 and rejection of our parents moral standards. These things pass and life goes on. Not going to fret about the new generation dissing on me,. The circle of life continues.

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Jealousy

bobwjr Level 10 Nov 10, 2019
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My awareness of OK Boomers is recent. Now I've a better understanding. My birth date was after the great generation but before boomers, but they may consider me a boomer,; though, I fathered no babies. For the past twenty years, I've been retried, so they have had my job. However, I intend to work again.

The jobs aren't going to boomers and immigrants; they are going to automation. If I'm lucky, I'll create a few jobs.

My sympathy goes out to millennials, capitalist CEOs have screwed the environment in the race to sell to boomers, and become rich. We were ignorant of the way criminals manipulated us and gamed the system, until some of us realized, and Trump was elected.

Hippies, like me, do not like the US thing as it is, and we've opposed it from time to time in the past. We have failed to keep a the government honest and empathetic. The millennials are angry with us, and rightly so. I am not particularly happy with my inconsequential role. I hope younger people do better than the boomers, but they have an difficult task.

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As one who was there we must remember despite the counter-culture and anti-war movements of the late 60's Richard Nixon still won by a landslide in 1972 - lest we forget. and the majority of Boomers unlike myself went on to become Yuppies and drove Beemers and became part of the establishment that voted for Ronnie Ray-gun... Those of us who remain true to our rebellious roots are and were in the minority and the majority of Boomer sold this country and the earth to the highest bidders in corporate America... we were unable to elect Ralph Nader or any others that could have made a real difference. So maybe Boomers deserve to be called out - if not personally then you should not take offense and look at who they are speaking to if it is not you?

@Gwendolyn2018 - we all call out groups for group behavior. It is not wrong when it is real. I called out my parents generation and their anti-pot hypocrisy while booze was okay... the study of demographics is all about trends and that is what sold cigarettes and dish soap so the Boomers for the most part have a lot of hypocrisy to account for - maybe not you and me - but we are speaking about two different concepts - and the group did not live up to their counter-culture ideals...

@Gwendolyn2018 Thank you. I was born near the tail of the boom, and was self aware very young. Even then to hear people generalize about past generations was hurtful as most of my family had been progressive liberals and peace activists since the 1890s.
Then to have a segment of society labeling men like myself , who happen to be feminists, as evil misogynistic pigs, just because Trump and his ilk swing that way, is unconscionable.
The divisions in society are bad enough. Folks don't need to create more, unfortunately that's exactly what is happening.

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I wonder if it's mostly Republican boomers who are problematic. I also wonder if this isn't a right-wing instigation, to drive wedges between generations of liberal progressives.

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That whole call out culture is really dangerous. Lumping people all together, not acknowledging there are shades of grey just makes progress harder.

No group is monolithic.

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