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I call this an inverted Pascal, wrote it a decade or so ago.

What if all of Christianity is a Test like that of Job? What if God is testing the population of the planet to see who is so despicable that they would paint themselves in his own son's innocent blood to escape Justice?
What if, at the final judgment, those covered in the innocent blood of the Lamb are condemned for lack of morals and ethics because they scapegoated his innocent child rather than accept personal responsibility as his child tried to teach?
What if you have it backwards Christian?

How could you ever know with the perfect God conducting the test?

Feel free to copy and use as you might want.

What if mankind invented the Devil and Jesus...

I have come to a place in my life where religious people and religious debate are no longer worth my time. If you ever get a believer to seriously question anything, you become the devil. They need to come to truth on their own, privately.

I once saw an interview with a tea-total christian, who was challenged by the interviewer with the, water into wine problem. "Oh." The christian said. "But that was not wine you see. That was grape juice."

The interviewer was not quick enough to raise Louis Pasteur, or anything like that. But perhaps it proves that when once you swallow religion, you will believe anything.

Lol I like the path way you laid out, I never thought of it like that specifically. I have heard arguments about how the serpent in the genesis story is actually the good one offering truth and knowledge and yahweh is demanding ignorance and slavery. Which I think is similar in a way to what you are saying in that it is viewing it from the inverse basically.
If I try to force critical thought on someone i usually just ask about all the animals on Noah's ark and how they think he was able to do that. First usually I ask if they think he grabbed a pair of boxers, a pair of pit bulls, a pair of jack russells, a pair of great danes, ...etc or if he grabbed wolves and after landing they evolved to all the other types of dogs. Than I ask about all the insects where the numbers become overwhelming for different species. So this forces a choice between unrealistic gathering of an unbelievable amount of unique species which is beyond logic or belief in evolution.

In my opinion, "the serpent" is the one who told the truth to Adam and Eve, not god. The reason being is that they didn't surely die, which would mean to drop dead the second Eve ate the forbidden fruit. Instead, her eyes were open. Who lied? You be the judge.

here something for thought, what if the devil actually is the good guy and he lost the so called war in heaven? just a thought. I still refused to believe in any god or gods but makes you wonder though.

When I was younger, and Christian, I used to ponder quite a bit, who made God? Where did God come from?

Christians say something can't come from nothing, but where did God come from? Is there an endless hierarchy of gods and goddesses? I used to ponder if it was possible that Satan created the Christian faith as well.

It's interesting isn't it? Seems the most logical conclusion is to drop the whole convoluted scheme.

I think you will find critical thought will not overcome belief because it is just that, belief. Belief can only be changed by the believer having a mind shaking experience to do it.
But evidence will never do it.
A lot of Pacific nations are in a measels epidemic at the moment and the Pentecostal? Church prohibits vaccination. When a woman's child dies from the contagion the mother starts believing science not her church.
On your original subject, I think the Jews invented satan as a balance to god sort of like ying and yang.

That is like the old Greek saying of the perfectly just man will appear unjust and the perfectly unjust man will appear just thus god is the devil and the devil is god.

One of the things that eventually led me to letting go of my belief in god was realizing that according to what I'd been taught, me and everyone else were basically worshiping the devil. After that, it wasn't too hard to wonder if god or the devil existed at all.

I appreciate your enjoyment of that kind of conversation and the points it makes. Personally, the entire notion of debating or discussing the Bible, any other religious texts, any religion in general usually strikes me as an entire waste of my time. As for some of the sketchy things Jesus is alleged to have done, I have heard he used to fart in the car with the windows up, in winter, with the heater on.

I usually listen to what missionaries say, and I read their literature. Then I ask for solid evidence that it is true. They tend to go to the Bible for "proof." Then I ask for evidence that the Bible is true. I also point out false prophecies and contradictions in the Bible. When they can't give good evidence, they tend to cut me off and leave me alone.

How can one fantasy invent another?

Did santa invent the Easter bunny?

I like that. I may employ this in sociology next year, when we are studying religion in society.

I used to be convinced that the Catholic church was actually a front for the devil because it was soo evil conning everyone ...then I thought Bout it all and realised teh devil doesn't exist neither does god and humans are basically scum

That’s an interesting trick. I usually challenge them on accepting statements on blind faith versus using their own rational judgements of objective reality. But by doing that, I use my own understanding of epistemology and metaphysics to challenge their ideas.

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According to biblical text if understanding original Jewish concepts of the Angelic host, Jesus would be the Angelic lord of host Lucifer the devil.

The devil is the scapegoat for the sinner Geezus.

I've not used the "What if Satan..." point (a good one, by the way) but have used similar logical lines about Noah, Jews wandering around for 40 years in the desert (you can SEE Israel from Egypt...sheesh) etc. Eventually, they'll always fall back on the ''you have to use FAITH" argument! And that ends it all, doesn't it? (I always remember my Witness friend growing increasingly impatient with me and using the "Well, pam...you of all people know the continents were MUCH closer together in Noah's time" slightly nutsoid nonsense...and leaving me with my mouth hanging open.

Used to long long time ago, but sonn realized these were such a waste of time and effort becaus you are dealing with brainwashed people.

The jesus myth was started by jewish scripture, from hundreds of years earlier. Clearly described and called by name.

So, the dudes that wrote it were satanists?

What if.... The greatest question of all