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In a previous video featuring this same guy that was posted here earlier in the week, he claimed that the six days of creation were equal to 15 billion years. (the Universe is only 13.7 billion years old but whatever)

He tried to demonstrate this with an equation that proved the six days of Genesis equals 15 billion years mathematically. I refuted his claim in my reply to that video.

Read it here if interested -- [agnostic.com]

Now, here he's saying the six days of creation were standard 24 hour days that still equals 15 billion years. He does this by suggesting that time is like a compressible gas -- it's not possible to pour a gallon of water into a cup but it is possible to compress a gallon of helium into the same cup. He argues that god compressed 15 billion years of time into those six 24-hour days of creation

For his argument to hold up he would first have to prove his unproven god, then explain why this god -- who is accepted as omnipotent -- would need 15 billion years to accomplish his goals, then how does it make sense to compare time -- a concept with no physical properties -- to a gas -- a substance with physical properties and express them as equal. He explains none of this. We're just to accept everything as a given.

Regardless of this guy's impressive education, he's been blinded by religion.

Sgt_Spanky 8 Dec 8
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But the Bible clearly counts out 6 evenings and 6 mornings.

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Until they prove their god exists, trying to prove tales attributed to it are comical, at best.

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It would not matter what he claimed. What would matter is the validity of his claims.

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IF
the very basis of all you think and believe includes
an Unimaginable Cosmic Power which can create existence and do anything

Then
not much is outside your ability to believe is it?

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First, This guy pisses me off to no end. Not as bad as Ham, but they are both in the same boat and I hope it sinks in shark infested waters with both of them praying to the Sky Ferry for help.

Second, The Big Bang "Theory" should have never been more than a Hypothesis. At this point many physicists do not believe it. Very soon the Big Bang Theory will be discarded along with guy's pile of b.s..

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A few thoughts:

  1. I don't understand the theory of relativity very well to begin with, and suspect that the majority of laypersons don't either. I would really love to hear some actual physicists comment on the plausibility of what he's proposing.
  2. I find it funny that after all of the mental gymnastics required by both theists and non-theists to grasp all of this, a great many theists who take a literal approach to the Bible and believe the universe to be no more than about 10 thousand years old, are going to give this guy just as much flak as non-theists.
  3. This puts yet another dent into the as Bible divine revelation/inspiration vs. being A Crock Of Shit, when it is so much errancy and lack of clarity that so many revisions and schisms result.
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As an atheist of Jewish heritage, this thing is sad to me, but not surprising. I watched a small amount, just to kind of confirm my understanding of where it was going.

At least a couple of other people here got it right I think in mentioning how far some scientifically-minded people will go to hang on to their religious beliefs. I don't know as much about this from a Christian cultural perspective, but I think there are a fair number of Jews around who intellectually try to find some way to hang on to some aspects of Torah mythology and reconcile it in some way with a secular or scientifically-literate or pseudo-scientific update. They may for example dive deep into numerology (or some such) and the Kaballah and so-on. Maybe throw in "quantum physics". Lots of razzle-dazzle if you want to get drawn into it, but in the end the message is often "see, there's stuff that's not clear, so.... God!!!!".

The thing is, there are plenty of folks of Jewish heritage around who (like myself) are flat-out atheists. No belief in any supernatural anything. So, in my view, this is different from the hangers-on.

side-note I re-discovered an oddball movie recently that brings out that in some parts of the Jewish community you run into some obsession with numbers, or numerical sophistry, or whatever we should call it. That's only a moderate part of the film, but anyway noting. It's called "Pi".

kmaz Level 7 Dec 8, 2019

an added point here, I won't try to claim it's directly relevant, ... but a quotation from Einstein, apparently from his diary

"Then down to the Temple Wall (Wailing Wall), where dull-minded tribal companions are praying, faces turned to the wall, rocking their bodies forward and back. A pitiful sight of men with a past but without a future."
Albert Einstein, diary, 3 February 1923, quoted in Albert Einstein, by Albrecht Fölsing, translated by Ewald Osers, p. 529

So, I am not sure about the translation itself and there is often controversy in quoting some of his comments, but for what it's worth, I think it's interesting to see this harsh point of view that Einstein, with his indisputably brilliant scientific mind, exhibits toward some of the orthodox religious folks at that time (nearly 100 years ago).

[killian.com]

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You can sense the desperation of religious scholars trying to make sense for their incorrect belief with those of science...simply because not even religious people can doubt how right science has been for the past 500 years and how it has directly affected their personal existence...more than any gods have.

If anything, this exercise in trying to strecth religious beliefs to force fit rigid scientific facts only helps establish science as something their beliefs should be measured against. This can only help make more atheists in the long run. At some point, the religious believer will throw in the towel and call religion utterly nonsensical and just plain wrong.

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To me it comes down to people that absolutely just can't let go of a belief. Much like some kids when told Santa doesn't exist. Some just can't, or are unwilling to get over it.

When brought forth empirical evidence, rather than just accept it, they will try to stretch out some of the most inane ideas, just to hold on tho their 'Santa' for lack of a better word.

I've always been one to embrace the whole, every thing you think you may know, or was taught might not be true. I rather embrace that, because that forces me to have to do the digging, to find the facts, and make a non BS assessment.
So it's hard for me to understand why some will go fighting tooth and nail to keep their 'Santa' alive.

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WOO - F!

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Super=religious "scientists" are truly creative in the bogus ways that they try to prove things in the Bible and the existence of gods -- none of it legitimate.

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I love the way they get increasingly tied up in ever more complicated knots, as they try to make logical answers out of a waste heap of fantasy and half remembered dreams.

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"I think time is more like an expandable gas" 4.14
It's all waffle up to here. This is the first truly absurd statement of physical fantasy, For a start, the universe doesn't care what he thinks. Secondly, it's a ridiculous analogy. Time is a single dimension, whereas volume is expressed in three dimensions. It's just scientifically nonsense, and it gets worse from there. It seems he is a proficient physicist, so why is he saying this garbage? Either he has duped himself in the way that we see flat-earthers do, or (I think, more likely) he is peddling this nonsense because he knows that the religious are both weak-minded and unquestioning of authority and it bolsters his vanity to be able to milk their credulity.

One would think his education in science would preclude this fanciful religious bullshit but, clearly, religion can warp anyone's thinking as long as they allow it. If you insist on believing in god, reason must be shut off.

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It is difficult to watch an intelligent man's brain turn to jelly thanks to religion. It was like watching a dark comedy. Didn't know if I should laugh or cry.

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I do not know forsure the mathematical equations but I have thought of Time dialation as a possible answer. The explination for time dialation below where that one cognitive capability is observing the creation event at "time dialation speed" which would make one observer as we look back in evolutionary time, see 15 billion years while the other observer only seeing 1 day.

"god" of Old testiment biblical Biblical text description would be a lot like a bodiless mind.

The cognition of a person is dependent upon the kinetic energy of the brain atmosphere. Where I have considered that this "earth mind" ,if possible, might be capable within the atmosphere of the Earth.

Something going at tine dialation speed might require that only the cognition capability is traveling that speed of time dialation not the entire mass of a physical human animal.

The biblical text indicates that it was a cognitive capabilities that was "god" in the beginning that eventually turned into a person as people are.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the logos, the logos wad with God and was God. John 1:14 ... the logos became flesh (a person). John 10:34 ... "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?

Logos from greek means thought word capabilities or basicly cognition - the mental action or process of acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, experience, and the senses.

"Ruach" is old testiment word that gets translated into spirit.
Ruach of origional language was a force described like wind or breath. This is kinetic energy of air molecules.

The way it is sometimes used is like saying "the force of the lord has given me thoughts".

So, the old testiment "god" was like an ability that could communicate in such away thru kinetic energy that communicated to a person's thoughts.

Time dilation is a difference in the elapsed time measured by two clocks, either due to them having a velocity relative to each other, or by there being a gravitational potential difference between their locations. After compensating for varying signal delays due to the changing distance between an observer and a moving clock (i.e. Doppler effect), the observer will measure the moving clock as ticking slower than a clock that is at rest in the observer's own reference frame. A clock that is close to a massive body (and which therefore is at lower gravitational potential) will record less elapsed time than a clock situated further from the said massive body (and which is at a higher gravitational potential).

These predictions of the theory of relativity have been repeatedly confirmed by experiment, and they are of practical concern, for instance in the operation of satellite navigation systems such as GPS and Galileo.[1][2] Time dilation has also been the subject of science fiction works, as it technically provides the means for forward time travel.[3] wikipedia

Word Level 8 Dec 8, 2019

What this guy is talking about is some kind of divine version of time dilation, not the prosaic descptions we have for it. What kind of time dilation can compress 15 billion years into 6 days? A body traveling at 99.9% of light speed will experience time dilation which is why 50 years may pass for everyone else but the body traveling near light speed will only experience the passage of one year. Regardless, this is merely theoretical. Applying rational science to explain irrational religious claims is a losing endeavor.These videos demonstrate that.

@Sgt_Spanky I didn't watch video, as I explained the cognition capability within Earth atmosphere as being with out a body so that the cognition could go the speed of light as it was riding on kinetic energy. Our person cognitive abilities are apparently rather connected and dependent upon the kinetic energy of the brain. Kinetic energy is the key. It is my hypothetical speculation that if it could be shown that a cognitive capability could exist with Earth atmospheric kinetic energy environment then it might could prove old testiment biblical bodiless mind style God.

@Sgt_Spanky I do not know much about artificial intelligence of computer but it is electron based electrical kinetic energy related. If this sort of limited A.I. capabilities are able to work in a computer environment, I as why couldn't cognitive capabilities work with in Earth environment and such as times "god" worked out of electrical cloud storms in biblical text.

@Sgt_Spanky I am not a brain specialist, but I know well enough that a person by just THINKING moves electrons, brainwaves atoms and molecules as signals go to muscles moving body parts.

So. The way to tie in cognition thinking ability with force electron electrical kinetic energy movement that can then move atoms and molecules with muscle amputation of the thought signals.

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That's what the brainwashed do, try to revise science and history with bullcrap, reminds me of Galileo's case, where first he was forced to say that the earth and not the sun was the center of our universe, they finally apoligized during the polish pope reign. What a joke they are.

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It seems to me that even an MIT physicist with a PhD in Nuclear Physics is not free from going bananas. Sad....

This guy is proof positive that science and religion don't mix. He sounds ridiculous trying to rationalize his beliefs by twisting real science to support them.

@Sgt_Spanky Yes, like I've said, sad

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