Hardly anyone could read or write back then, if you knew how you could make a damned good living being a "scribe". Everything was oral....

Yes, all myths and legends. If you believe in Jesus you may as well believe in Thor and Odin.

And when someone finally wrote the bible ... they used middle east names like Paul, Peter, James, John, Matthew, and Mark etal ... ?! HA! What bullshit.

Jesus wrote absolutely nothing. None of his contemporaries wrote anything about him at the time. How do we get stories about when Jesus was alone?

In Matthew's Gospel, there is a passage, which contains several proofs that Matthew's Gospel is Fiction.
Matthew 28:11-15 (New American Standard Bible)

11Now while they were on their way, some of the guard came into the city and reported to the chief priests all that had happened.

12And when they had assembled with the elders and consulted together, they gave a large sum of money to the soldiers,

13and said, "You are to say, 'His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we were asleep.'

14"And if this should come to the governor's ears, we will win him over and keep you out of trouble."

15And they took the money and did as they had been instructed; and this story was widely spread among the Jews, and is to this day.

List of Proofs.
Here is my list of proofs.

1. The Jewish Priests and Elders tell the guards to say "" 'His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we were asleep."" This is a ridiculous story to tell. Everyone knows that if the guards were asleep they would be unconscious and not know what happened. The ruling Jewish Sanhedrin was 71 members, seventy elders and the High Priest reputed to be amongst the wisest men. It is not believable that these very smart Jews would concoct such a dumb story.

2. In the Roman world, the penalty for sleeping while on guard duty was death. It is doubtful that even with a "good word" from the High Priest [Matthew 28:14] to the Roman Governor, he would have suspended the death sentence. It is not believable that the guards would have lied and said they were sleeping and subject themselves to the death penalty. Can't spend money if you're dead.

3. The Priests and Elders were very religious men. According to Jesus they were very careful about observing every point of the law, but were missing the spirit of the Law. Matthew 23:23-23-24 It is not believable that these religious men would suborn false witness and commit such a grave sin.

4)The Roman Governor would never believe such a dumb story ""'His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we were asleep." One did not get to rule an entire country by being an idiot.

5. This conspiracy to tell this lie, that the disciples stole the body, involves, the guards, the Jewish leadership, and even the office of the Roman Governor. It is not believable that a conspiracy based on such a poor lie would have held together. But that is what Matthew asks his readers to believe. "And they took the money and did as they had been instructed; and this story was widely spread among the Jews, and is to this day." Matthew 28:15 Matthew would have his readers believe the conspiracy lasted for years after the event. Not believable.

6. We have the witness of the four gospels. But only Matthew's gospel mentions a guard on the tomb. Not even a hint from the other gospels. The guard on the tomb is a vital element of the Jesus resurrection story. Had the guard existed the other gospel writers would have most assuredly mentioned it. To fail to mention such an important aspect of the story would be to miss the point of the story. Jesus was in the tomb, the guard was on duty, the tomb was now empty, so Jesus must have resurrected. The other gospel writers didn't mention the guard because this was Matthew's fiction.

Not only no one who knew him, and supposedly witnessed anything he did, wrote about it, this Jesus and his followers would have spoken Aramaic. All of the writings about him, even those by Paul, which were done years, even decades, later were written in Greek by people who never knew him.

Christianity is a contrived religion, but some of its precepts are of value. Take it or leave it and move on. There’s no need to belabor the issue or wallow in grievance.

Given the time in history, most events were passed on orally. Oral transmission is a common method for many cultures to keep important items alive. Oral transmission is subject to the tellers memories and personal embellishments.

Most people, especially those he ministered to, couldn’t read or write, so it is futile to expect any personal testimony or representation, other than through administrative tracts or historical exegesis.

You are also making the mistake of considering making notes for posterity. That was not a consideration. This was a people subjugated by an occupying power, with a Messianic promise of relief, any day.

Who cares about tomorrow. ‘One of these Messiahs must be right!’

Well. A lot of people DO believe it, so that's not a true statement.

Religion was concocted by the rulers as a control mechanism for the masses. The Catholic church is notorious for it and extorting money also like saying you must give 10 percent of your earnings to the church.

Yup fantasy

Watched a comedian a few days ago who did a routine about how all the paintings of Jesus make him look depressed. Asked how come none of them showed him walking on water smiling saying, "hey bro, look at this", while he was standing on one foot.

The Roman occupiers were known for meticulous record keeping, especially in occupied territories far from Rome, no contemporary records or anything exist of such person.

I would not make use of an argument like that, it is just to weak for my liking, because not much remains from anything . . . . that existed from that era, and who knows what we do not know. On the hopeful side of things though, they have a shitload of scrolls that they found in Herculaneum, that they are working on recovering . . . and this trove pre-dated that of the great library of Alexandria that the fucking christians destroyed.

To be fair, I think our modern level of literacy and access to information may contribute to your incredulity.

It is even more extraordinary when you consider that there are copious historical records of John the Baptist, and in all those records there is no mention of his being the Herald of anyone, but that he is in fact himself the promised messiah of a much older religion one that fragmented after the death of JTB by execution for treason against Herod Antipas (without the aid of Salome the Stripper who seems also to be a new testament invention.)

do we really care? anything about religion makes no sense... time we got over the minutia .....

Well there is Bible Jesus, The Miracle-Working God-Man(tm) and then there is -- potentially -- Historical Jesus, on which the fabulist mythos of the gospels might have been (but needn't be) based.

But nearly nothing is written about Historical Jesus either, apart from the NT. The most compelling reference is by the Roman historian Tacitus, who says that the "Chrestians" name themselves after "Crestus", who suffered "the ultimate penalty" under Pontius Pilate, thereby temporarily stamping out a "pernicious superstition" which, regrettably, kept arising anyway.

While "Crestus" or "Christ" is a title, not a name, obviously someone who was more than a figurehead was executed under Pilate. This is probably the key piece of extra-Biblical attestation for a historical Jesus-person. It is well accepted by scholars as genuine and reliable. Tacitus has a good reputation as a careful historian who cites his sources, or mentioned low levels of confidence in them where appropriate; he is clearly a hostile source, which means he's unlikely to be shilling for Christianity for some reason; and so this is evidence that there was a historical leader in early Christianity who was executed by Pilate -- suggesting that small bit of the gospel account is real. And it could be so; many florid, elaborate myths have a kernel of reality at the center.

But a historical Jesus presents zero problem for me as an atheist, and provides zero comfort for a Christian apologist. The gospel accounts are fabulist, self-inconsistent nonsense, and 95% of the Jesus narrative, even ignoring the huge discrepancies between the gospels, never happened unless you believe people walk on water and raise the dead and fly up into heaven. Whether the gospels are (very loosely) "based on" a real person or not scarcely matters. GodBoy is an invention either way.

For the record, I'm still a Jesus mythicist, for a variety of reasons, despite Tacitus. That historical Jesus (HJ) is the consensus of historians based on their standards of evidence and based on the very thin and somewhat debatable evidence they have to work with, does not rise to the level demanded by the skeptic. Particularly when many historians rendering this verdict have direct and indirect motives for seeing things that aren't really there. It impacts their tenure, their professional standing, their research funding, etc., to take a minority view here.

Let's assume he did exist and he drew no attention from anyone at the time. Keep in mind that the believers think the gospels are a first hand narrative but later this is proven un-true. Next we have the biblical fact that he was so popular that he has an audience with Pilot. This would be highly unlikely and it would be doubtful if they even spoke the same language. Assume for a moment it was true and then ask yourself why nobody of his time wrote about him except for in the bible. Not only is Jesus as we know of him missing from history of his era but manipulated events are missing as well. History shows there was no "slaughter of the innocents" as the bible records. A careful reading of the bible shows that prophesy and events are contrived to fit the situation. Someone wanted very strongly for this Jesus to be the promised one but outside of the bible there is no evidence. This must all be another trick of the devil just like the dinosaur bones.

Maybe he couldn't write.

Oh boy, I'm so glad I have this site to turn to in times of frustration with the ignorance and gullibility of the masses. I have NO one to talk to because the only folks who see religion as a hoax are my siblings and they don't live close to me. We are in such a toxic political climate and religion is at the heart of all evil so the 2 collide, leaving me feeling hopeless for the future. ugh!

According to who ever and wikipedia, the book called James is considered to be written by a sibling of Jesus.

The author identifies himself as "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ" who is writing to "the twelve tribes scattered abroad". The epistle is traditionally attributed to James the brother of Jesus (James the Just),[1][2] and the audience is generally considered to be Jewish Christians, who were dispersed outside Palestine.[3][4] wikipedia

It eventually got written down in a magic book that transcribed everything God thought, everything Jesus did, and it could even foretell the future. You might've heard of it, it's called the Bible...or the Torah...or the Book of Mormon -- I'm not sue but it's one or the other.