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THE RESULTS

Earlier I posted a thread asking why only about 1% of registered users seem to be active on this site. After going through all the replies and ignoring the snarky ones and the "Who cares?" shit, I think we've identified four possible avenues for improvement.

The Dating Thing - This came up again and again. The site promotes itself as a potential dating site but it really isn't, not when compared to actual dating sites like Match, Zoosk, etc... That difference becomes obvious pretty quickly and there's probably a lot of users who signed up, failed to see it as a place where they could find a man/woman and left for something that functioned more like POF. I think this is the biggest letdown people are discovering and it's driving them away.

Maybe downplay the dating promise and promote it as a place to make friends and to cultivate your godless heathenism.

Too Many Groups - There's a lotta groups having discussions that would work just as well posted on the main pages and involve everyone. There's nothing about much of the content that calls for group exclusivity. There's plenty of people who love dogs and hate Trump. and think memes are funny. Do we really need to join a group for all these individual discussions?

The boobs group should stay as a group cuz...boobs.

Age - Not sure what can be done about this but this is a community with a lot of boomers and older people. I think that becomes clear before long and maybe it's turning off the younger people after they join and then just bail. Non-religion is growing among people in their 20s-30s Is there some way to appeal more to that expanding demographic?

Inactive Member Deletion - It would be nice if Admin deleted members who have been inactive for a year or more. That would give us a better idea of how many active members we actually have. For all we know, maybe 1000 members is 64% of the active community and this whole thing was uncalled for.

There you have it. This was done just to offer some suggestions for possible areas to improve based on user input. If you don't agree or think it was a waste of time, well, then you shouldn't have read it this far.

Sgt_Spanky 8 Dec 17
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Makes no difference to me, why people come and go.

I wouldnt want to try to run my own site, even if i had the $$$ to hire someone to do it right, much less try to figure out how to do it myself. I find it very perplexing that admin wanted to do this and has kept at it, i find it even stranger that someone else would be interested in managing admins job.

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I suspect if groups were dropped, active membership would go down. Many utilize the groups to avoid the hatefulness and negativity so prevalent elsewhere.

If one does not care for the groups, don't participate in them. Seems pretty petty to demand that others give them up if some nonparticipant does not care for them.

Zster Level 8 Dec 17, 2019

exactly!

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The Dating Thing
IMO this works much, much better that the profile mining sites. It's not nearly as fast because everyone actually need to put effort in for it to work. Calling this a dating site is a slight misnomer, it's more like a bar where everyone has a little sign on thier forehead stating availability and what they want, if you are too.

.Too Many Groups
Way, way way to many groups. Get rid of 90% of them. Sex and politics should be the extent of groups - keep the things best left behind closed doors behind closed doors.

Age
To many geezers here. We'll eventually die off though, so there's hope. One other thing, and that's the women here seem to get blasted by the desperate guys PM's. Giving layers to the block function could help.

Inactive Member Deletion
Put a filter in profiles to only show members that have been active in the last X amount of time.

Get rid of the self appointed lynch mobs policing the membership
Seriously, admin needs to take control of the site and do the policing. Members doing it harass new people that don't meet the lynch mobs, not the sites, standards. It give the impression that no one who owns the site cares about what goes on here. Add in the levels confusion some new members have and it would be easy for them to think this place is like a high school cafeteria they're freshmen, and you need to find the table your accepted at before the kids in ther letterman jackets (higher levels) start bullying you.

1of5 Level 8 Dec 17, 2019

The fabled hanky code [en.m.wikipedia.org]

@MarkiusMahamius typical, send me to a site thats about hookups that asks for money.

@1of5 i agree about the self appointed police. very trumpish.

@hankster glad you got the gist of it, sometimes I really need an editor.

@1of5 your editing seems fine. lol.. i just disagree with you on some other points.

@hankster I got that, it's just that section is very poorly written. IMO 🙂

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I'm not trying to fight with you, Sarge, but I am still sort of missing your angle here.

My understanding is that this site originated as a dating site. But like all gatherings of minds, the population determines the future usability. So, that's your suggestions #1 and #3, and somewhat #2 explained.

Your fourth suggestion, well, that may be far more work than is worth doing. Databases are large tricky things, with a lot going on 'under the hood', as they say. Starting to scrub can lead to all sorts of problems. Would you be willing to trade an app that does its job, but has wonky counts for an app that has a scaled down lean database, but breaks all the time because of void function calls and orphaned records?

I'm not trying to be a shitty-kitty here - but having some tech under my furry belt, I tend to go with the "if it ain't broke..." approach.

If it's going to promote itself as a dating site then the dating functionality has to be greatly beefed up. If that's not going to be dine, don't promote it as a dating site. This issue is the one that comes up oiver and again so it's a thing.

I'm betting the vast majority of those 100K users are inactive and have been for some tme and should be purged. I've done database maintenance too and it would be a lot of work but it should be done sooner or later.

it ain't broke. this stuff has been covered time and time again. there's nothing new here.

@hankster - I happen to agree with you, but the Sarge feels differently. His OP generated over 70 comments and I really was interested in where it was going to land.

Since this site is free to use, the cost of doing fixes, enhancements, repairs and maintenance may outweigh the perceived benefits of such work. Maybe not.

Maybe a little "user compliance auditing" is necessary. I dunno - don't expect too much from me, I'm just a cat.

@LatentumCattus I understand that everybody has good intentions, but this horse is long dead. what he seems to think is indifference is really just experience. and you're right the cost would be substantial compared to any benefit.

@hankster - Sure. Sarge's point #1 sounds like a branding/marketing issue and probably easily addressed. The rest of it, well, I wouldn't want to be the PM shepherding it through.

@LatentumCattus even the rebranding would likely face an onslaught of trolling Believers Etc. it's not a pretty picture.

@hankster - "If it ain't broke..."

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Perhaps archive accounts that have not been used for a year, yet allow the owner to recover the account.

Sounds good. As long as they're separated from the active user base.

@Sgt_Spanky why is that important?

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Dating. Don't have an opinion. I asked what was the point of it once, and was told that we have had several marriages !

Groups. Yes there are a lot and I think it should be made harder to start new ones, but I can not see that they put members of, and remember that if you do get the numbers of active members to grow then there may come a day when there are too few, they could even be a reason why some people stay.

Age. Maybe the site is only for older people, because younger people simply take none religion for granted and don't see a need to talk about it, or think that religion/none religion is not important any more. Perhaps wishful thinking on my part.

Inactive members deletion. Good idea, although they don't actually cost us anything, so not that important. But I would make it longer than a year, perhaps two. And send out a warning notice such as. 'If you do not log on in the next month.' The reason for that is. Supposing you have been very ill and have just spent a year in intensive care, you recover and try to go back to your life, then find that your account is gone and you have to start over. Or perhaps at least a way to reactivate old accounts.

@Bierbasstard Sorry to say that I started a group a bit since, and am making most of the posts, not all I am happy to say, but of course when it is new you hope it will grow, so you try to keep it rollling. If it does not grow, then in six months or so I shall be well ready to close it.

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Dating - I think because we don't have as many members as other dating sites - it makes it a challenge.
It's up to people whether they stay for all the other features. As long as the site keeps growing there is hope.

Groups - I disagree with you here. I think with over 1000 groups on site there are way too many topics to group under a few headers. Some are really specific.
I do think one way to cut back on the plethora of groups is to encourage some group merges.
I'll add how to do that to this post - shortly. (see end of this post).

I've had that happen in two groups I moderate to very good effect. You just have to have like minded hosts and one willing to give over the main controls.
There will always be folks who get disgusted with how someone runs their group. So there will always be spin off groups.

Age - I'm actually seeing some younger folks coming in and sticking around. Might be some new advertising or that we now have a solid core of younger members - I'm not sure?
But I do review who comes in every day for "Watchers" so I get a sense of how old and young the new members are.
Some are just really relieved to have a place to call "Not religion land". I have to say we are always truly delighted (us old foggies) by seeing younger folk come in. We do our best - for the most part - to get them to stay.

Inactive Member Deletion - Agreed. Though frankly as this site actually removes scammers - unlike most other dating sites - I'm fairly content with artificial inflation of numbers.
People can browse profiles to see if that member near them is active or not. (It's there in the bio). But it is discouraging to browse members and see how many haven't been active in forever and a day. It would be nice to get accurate representation.

I do think a year is a great suggestion though. If they decide to return they can just create a new account then.

These are the instructions for a Group Merge: " How to merge groups."

The way I see it, if the dating thing is what's intriguing people to sign up then bail shortly thereafter because they don't see it being very robust then beef up the dating functionality. Otherwise, don't claim this is a site to find a date. I think it's just leading to a lot of disappointment.

My only suggestion with groups is to limit them to topics that call for group exclusivity. People make groups for everything including many topiucs that could just as easily be discussed on the main pages and include the whole community. Irregular Latin Verbs should be a group since it's a highly specific interest, I Hate Trump doesn't need to be since most people hate Trump.

I don't know what to do about the age thing but it would be nice to see a greater age diversity.

Deleting inactive users is just basic site maintenance. I'm thinking that 100K stat is hugely inflated with tens of thousands of dead accounts.I'd be curious to know what the active user number is.

@Sgt_Spanky But some of us are really happy that the 45 hate is confined to one group! There's just so much of it to contain. 😀

I know the point you're making about groups. But frankly if we had member numbers - the amount of groups wouldn't be the issue.

If the groups where the originators had disappeared off the site where combined with existing groups that are headed by live members - that would help a lot too.

I might mention that to Admin. I report missing hosts when they've been gone over a year and don't have a moderator. (I usually find those groups entirely by accident). But they've been orphaned and should be handed to the active members.

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